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120.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 01 Jun 2007 Fri 09:12 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Not all the scarfs you see there are representative of Anatolian women or Turkish tradition.

Some represent a fundamentalist Islamic fraction, who is trying to play politics, hiding behind the scarfs and skirts of their women...


absolutely brilliant, thanks.
it makes me happy to read smart people.

121.       MrX67
2540 posts
 01 Jun 2007 Fri 11:07 pm

ofcourse some of em playing,but thats not a true reason for to be against all...

122.       leander
44 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 12:50 am

1-Only a small percentage of turkish people live in rural areas.
Vast majority of Turks live in cities.Only Istanbuls population reached 25 million which is more than 1/3 of Turkey...add other cities to that in which tens of millions of people live...So how come some people claim only people who live in rural areas,farmers are the only representatives of turkish "culture"?
2-The purpose of this video may be open to interpretation but the reason for posting such a video here is clear,especially since this place have been invaded by islamist AKP propagandists who post anti-secular, anti state, pro headscarf islamist articles three times a day.They probably want to say with this: "Look this is the turkish culture! Wearing headscarfs! Türban is just a modernised version of it." Which is actually the oposite of the message of the video.'Cus it says in turkish that those political islamist "türban" wearing models have nothing in common with those hardworking humble rural women.Also they wear headscarf not for islamist reasons,- if you look closer you can see some oftheir hair- , but for tradition and protection from the sun 'cause they work in the farm all day long.

3-I think people who have a critical aproach and question the women rights in rural Turkey here have much more love and respect for those women than the ones who say they are "proud " of their condition and cloths and the way they live, cus it represents the "culture" they approve and want to preserve as islamists, who want to see women covered from head to toe, their role limited to geting married to the one their parents want them to, raising children and doing whats told by their husband, whom many of them didn't even had the chance to choose by themselves.
No need to attack catwoman and others just because they don't faint with delight and admiration to the "culture" when they see a 65 year old women wearing old ragged cloths and carrying heavy loads in her back while probably their men are playing cards in the "kahvehane".
I admire village people, they are wonderful in many ways, but the role of women is not one of those admirable qualities.

It's funny how some islamists who constantly talk about human rights and democracy when it comes to being allowed wearing headscarves in universities, get mad and accuse others of disrespecting the "culture" when people point out to severe woman rights violations in rural areas or islamist circles.

123.       MrX67
2540 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 12:57 am

i never thought this lovely video will be reason for this such discussionsi just sent it for show apart of Turkish life and for proud with Anatolian women,my aim never was make a political discussion or meesage,but i see many of us so far from tolerance and looking for simple opportunies for the big political ravange,thats really sad

124.       azade
1606 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 01:24 am

Ya rab!
I understand where you are coming from MrX67. Your efforts are applauded from this side and it is indeed sad to see that everything has to be turned into a combat on political views nowadays. Sigh.

125.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 05:57 am

MrX,
No one is criticizing you for posting the video. But the video is political. It doesnt try to hide that fact. So you should not be suprised nor offended when a political video generates a political discussion.

126.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 06:27 am

Ya rab!
I understand where you are coming from MrX67. Your efforts are applauded from this side and it is indeed sad to see that everything has to be turned into a combat on political views nowadays. Sigh

THERE ARE MANY OTHER PANELS WHERE ONE CAN DISCUSS POLITICS AND RELIGIOUS SUBJECTS IN DIGNITY. TRY AND KEEP, AT LEAST, SOME PLACES FREE OF YOUR SNEAKY POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS CRAP

127.       qdemir
813 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 06:42 am

Quoting AlphaF:


THERE ARE MANY OTHER PANELS WHERE ONE CAN DISCUSS POLITICS AND RELIGIOUS SUBJECTS IN DIGNITY. TRY AND KEEP, AT LEAST, SOME PLACES FREE OF YOUR SNEAKY POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS CRAP



There are also many other panels where one can shout and insult others.

128.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 07:15 am

Quoting MrX67:

i didn't say that i'm only arkadaş,but thats such a big paradox in ur democracy opinions and such an extrem words for defence somethings???


Where is paradox in that? I only give an example with a simile to show there is nowhere endless democracy. But i think you dont like my example, i thought you are as tolerant as Jesus, what a pity i was wrong.

Quoting MrX67:

no worries,if it goes this way they will ask at home even as ssson as.well,sure we all have to observe common rules,especially on public areas and places,and secualrism is the one of strongest balance of all democraices,noone of can't deny that,but as if you don't know and live in our traditions,and as if u r strangers of the people which you born and raised in???



When have you seen people have problems practising religion before in Türkiye even a foreigner? If it is better to pray in schools instead of educating, lets change the schools into madrasah, tekke or whatever…Continue to bomb the basis of Republic by saying “tolarence tolarence” like Papa Hodja in America.

Quoting leander:

It's funny how some islamists who constantly talk about human rights and democracy when it comes to being allowed wearing headscarves in universities, get mad and accuse others of disrespecting the 'culture' when people point out to severe woman rights violations in rural areas or islamist circles.



Well said !! They like democracy and judgement when they give good decisions for them otherwise begin to insult to democracy and judgement.

129.       MrX67
2540 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 12:32 pm

Quoting armegon:

Quoting MrX67:

i didn't say that i'm only arkadaş,but thats such a big paradox in ur democracy opinions and such an extrem words for defence somethings???


Where is paradox in that? I only give an example with a simile to show there is nowhere endless democracy. But i think you dont like my example, i thought you are as tolerant as Jesus, what a pity i was wrong.

Quoting MrX67:

no worries,if it goes this way they will ask at home even as ssson as.well,sure we all have to observe common rules,especially on public areas and places,and secualrism is the one of strongest balance of all democraices,noone of can't deny that,but as if you don't know and live in our traditions,and as if u r strangers of the people which you born and raised in???



When have you seen people have problems practising religion before in Türkiye even a foreigner? If it is better to pray in schools instead of educating, lets change the schools into madrasah, tekke or whatever…Continue to bomb the basis of Republic by saying “tolarence tolarence” like Papa Hodja in America.

Quoting leander:

It's funny how some islamists who constantly talk about human rights and democracy when it comes to being allowed wearing headscarves in universities, get mad and accuse others of disrespecting the 'culture' when people point out to severe woman rights violations in rural areas or islamist circles.



Well said !! They like democracy and judgement when they give good decisions for them otherwise begin to insult to democracy and judgement.

thats really not easy to understand why you all have big worries about political regime,Turkey is a strong secular country,and will be always.and i think you don't aware of you giving so big harm to people with this worries and selfish democracy opinions,Opposite as your saids you just want democracy for only urself,and you say democracy is exist just how you understood.Turkey is a great country with the dep historical backround especially about cultural tolerance,i don't believe theres a problem in society about beliefs or life stilies,but just a small part creating big discussions as if theres a big political regime danger.''TURKEY İS A SECULAR;DEMOCRATİC,SOCİAL,LAW STATE'' and will be forever.with the all constituonal rights and organizations!!!..

130.       leander
44 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 02:13 pm

Quoting azade:

Ya rab!
I understand where you are coming from MrX67. Your efforts are applauded from this side and it is indeed sad to see that everything has to be turned into a combat on political views nowadays. Sigh.



Really? Where were you when AKP propagandists spam the board with zillions of anti-state, anti secular articles and irrelevant AKP eulogies on Turkey section back to back, taken from the same islamist source?
Oh wait you were there....one of the first ones to applaud them! Yet when people get tired of it and react to it, by exposing the political nature of the things they post, you have the nerve to claim we are the ones who brought politics here?


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