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02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:16 pm |
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Quoting libralady: It is very sad that a few harmless photos on YouTube can provoke such unreasonable behaviour. Opinions will differ but does that mean everyone is wrong?
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Again LibraLady, these are not harmless photos. It is political propaganada.
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02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:19 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: WHAT WE ARE FACING HERE IS STANDARD PKK PROPAGANDA...
1. SPRINKLE FEW RELIGIOUS CRAPS,
2. INSULT TURKISH ARMY,
3. CRY FOR PITY AND HELP FROM OUTSIDERS
THEY NEVER MENTION WHY NON-PKK KURDISH CITIZENS OF SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY HAD TO BE RELOCATED, IN THE FIRST PLACE. BECAUSE OTHER TURKS LIVING IN WESTERN TURKEY LOVED TO HAVE MORE KURDS AROUND?, or BECAUSE THEY HAD TO FACE PKK TERROR IF THEY DID NOT HELP PKK, YET FACE THE TURKISH ARMY IF THEY DID: A VERY DANGEORUS LIFE IN BOTH CASES.
I ADDRESS YOU ALL ...DO NOT FALL INTO THIS PKK TRAP...JUST IGNORE THEM... |
One thing: PKK, religion and the army has nothing to do with eachother whatsoever  And only a very small percentage of kurds are PKK supporters anyway - I didn't mention kurds specifically, I was referring to ALL citizens in south eastern Turkey.
Don't twist my words please that makes any kind of dialog impossible. My husband was in danger of getting killed by PKK two nights ago so don't you dare trying to put me in the same box as those disintegrating terrorists - are you getting some kind kick out of convincing yourself that others who don't share opinions with you are, well all of the negative words you have spread? I don't get where all of this distrust is coming from. Come on let's talk like sensible adults.
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02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:21 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: WHAT WE ARE FACING HERE IS STANDARD PKK PROPAGANDA...
1. SPRINKLE FEW RELIGIOUS CRAPS,
2. INSULT TURKISH ARMY,
3. CRY FOR PITY AND HELP FROM OUTSIDERS
THEY NEVER MENTION WHY NON-PKK KURDISH CITIZENS OF SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY HAD TO BE RELOCATED, IN THE FIRST PLACE. BECAUSE OTHER TURKS LIVING IN WESTERN TURKEY LOVED TO HAVE MORE KURDS AROUND?, or BECAUSE THOSE NON PPK KURDS HAD TO FACE PKK TERROR IF THEY DID NOT HELP PKK, YET FACE THE TURKISH ARMY IF THEY DID: A VERY DANGEORUS LIFE IN BOTH CASES.
I ADDRESS YOU ALL ...DO NOT FALL INTO THIS PKK TRAP...JUST IGNORE THEM... |
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02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:38 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: It is political propaganada. |
Youtube is full of such things. Not only for Turkey, almost for everything and if you want to discuss all of them, it is better to reserve another life for it.
Some countries and government have censored youtube for some durations. Such as USA, Turkey, Thailand, Korea etc.
We say that "dilin kemiği yok."-"tongue has no bones".
So anybody can say anything they want on youtube, and also here. But we should not lose our respect for other people because of some craps who are posting such things on youtube.
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02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:42 pm |
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I agree with everything you say Sunflower. And I don't mind a well mannered political discussion. I am only pointing out the video for what it is, to those who do not want to believe it, and explaining to those that do not understand it.
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02 Jun 2007 Sat 09:18 pm |
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Why can't you guys be objective about this?
There is nothing reliable in those words, they are grasped out of thin air and have no relevancy in this case. Surely there are people out there who support what is stated in the capitalized post but no one on this forum as far as I have seen (you are welcome to prove it). And that is such a standard answer! Screaming "PROPAGANDA! ANTI-SECULARIST!" to anyone that doesn't see everything as black and white as you do. I thought this forum consisted of reasonable adults.
Did you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe some of us doesn't catch a political agenda in this clip? I'm not saying that there isn't one, but I for one didn't notice it and obviously MrX67 didn't either.
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02 Jun 2007 Sat 09:27 pm |
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Well, I think the political thing in this clip is not its showing köylü women, women with scarfs, or hardworking women. Noone can say anything about someone showing reality. And not in every tiny clip there can be shown the whole diversity of a country, and it hasn't to do so either.
But I felt uneasy too on the combination of this women with the models in the second part, although I cannot say exactly what made me feel so. But I am sure there is a propaganda, as it is saying something about the real moslem women how they should be? Unlike the models?
I didn't understand the words exactly, but there was something like that. If someone could tell us what those words mean?
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03 Jun 2007 Sun 12:05 am |
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Quoting azade: AlphaF > where is that coming from? Surely you are not aware of my standpoints and I for one also do not wish to discuss them here because obviously it's not possible to have such a debate without swearing.
leander > would you kindly show me where I have have applauded anti-secular propaganda?  And by the way I'm 100 % for keeping Turkey secular.  |
For anyone with a tripple digit IQ the message of all those articles you've been ethusiastically aplauding are clear.They constantly bash any institution in Turkey that tries to protect the secular nature of Turkey.Be it justice, be it unversities, be it army etc.Can't be bothered to searrch all of your posts but you should remember nodding to kaddersokak's and other spammers anti-state pro AKP articles.
Actually what i was trying to say was something different.You didn't seem to be bothered by the political content of all those posts, but here, you blame people with getting 'too political' , when expressing their views on this thread..That sounds hypocritical to me.
Quote: People are putting huge words in their mouths 'ISLAMIST! PROPAGANDA!' - are you even aware of the meaning of these harsh words? Maybe the current political situation in Turkey is making you jump at the slightest reminder of your cultural heritage but there's no reason to attack the rest of us who's more acceptive and appreciative of cultural differences.
What's the big harm in elder women in a village setting? They are an important part of Turkey's heritage and there's nothing suspecious about it.
This is just going way too far. If you're afraid of anyone slightly köylü then go around for crying out loud.
I for one have much respect for these women because of their obvious strength and knowledge on life. |
We are VERY MUCH aware of what islamist propaganda is and don't need a danish converts expertise (!) on it, especially yours.Your post is another example of distortion of what we said.Did anyone here say villagers are bad and we don't like them?Quite the oposite, BECAUSE we love and care about them we want a better life for them, especially for women who live void of basic human rights there.But for you they are just authentic scenery , you say 'awww how sweeeeet!' and pretend to love the culture as long as you don't get to live like them and are not in one of those womens shoes..We love them tausand times more than likes of you, thats why we fight the mentality that makes them suffer.
Quote: One thing: PKK, religion and the army has nothing to do with eachother whatsoever |
 Reeaaally? If i were as ignorant on those matters as you are, i wouldn't dare to talk about them in boards where Turks hang out,let alone trying to lecture them on those issues.Otherwise one might end up making a fool out of oneself.
again.But sorry can't waste my time to explain the connection between all those things, maybe one day when you live here longer ,finally learn the language and are able read in turkish and educate yourself on those complex matters you'll understand what i mean.
Or maybe not, since something tells me that you'd only be reading PKK and AKP propaganda.
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03 Jun 2007 Sun 12:14 am |
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Quoting leander: Quoting azade: AlphaF > where is that coming from? Surely you are not aware of my standpoints and I for one also do not wish to discuss them here because obviously it's not possible to have such a debate without swearing.
leander > would you kindly show me where I have have applauded anti-secular propaganda? And by the way I'm 100 % for keeping Turkey secular. |
For anyone with a tripple digit IQ the message of all those articles you've been ethusiastically aplauding are clear.They constantly bash any institution in Turkey that tries to protect the secular nature of Turkey.Be it justice, be it unversities, be it army etc.Can't be bothered to searrch all of your posts but you should remember nodding to kaddersokak's and other spammers anti-state pro AKP articles.
Actually what i was trying to say was something different.You didn't seem to be bothered by the political content of all those posts, but here, you blame people with getting 'too political' , when expressing their views on this thread..That sounds hypocritical to me.
Quote: People are putting huge words in their mouths 'ISLAMIST! PROPAGANDA!' - are you even aware of the meaning of these harsh words? Maybe the current political situation in Turkey is making you jump at the slightest reminder of your cultural heritage but there's no reason to attack the rest of us who's more acceptive and appreciative of cultural differences.
What's the big harm in elder women in a village setting? They are an important part of Turkey's heritage and there's nothing suspecious about it.
This is just going way too far. If you're afraid of anyone slightly köylü then go around for crying out loud.
I for one have much respect for these women because of their obvious strength and knowledge on life. |
We are VERY MUCH aware of what islamist propaganda is and don't need a danish converts expertise (!) on it, especially yours.Your post is another example of distortion of what we said.Did anyone here say villagers are bad and we don't like them?Quite the oposite, BECAUSE we love and care about them we want a better life for them, especially for women who live void of basic human rights there.But for you they are just authentic scenery , you say 'awww how sweeeeet!' and pretend to love the culture as long as you don't get to live like them and are not in one of those womens shoes..We love them tausand times more than likes of you, thats why we fight the mentality that makes them suffer.
Quote: One thing: PKK, religion and the army has nothing to do with eachother whatsoever |
Reeaaally? If i were as ignorant on those matters as you are, i wouldn't dare to talk about them in boards where Turks hang out,let alone trying to lecture them on those issues.Otherwise one might end up making a fool out of oneself.
again.But sorry can't waste my time to explain the connection between all those things, maybe one day when you live here longer ,finally learn the language and are able read in turkish and educate yourself on those complex matters you'll understand what i mean.
Or maybe not, since something tells me that you'd only be reading PKK and AKP propaganda.
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A remarkable distinction between the two attitudes.
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03 Jun 2007 Sun 12:25 am |
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Quoting leander:
For anyone with a tripple digit IQ the message of all those articles you've been ethusiastically aplauding are clear.They constantly bash any institution in Turkey that tries to protect the secular nature of Turkey.Be it justice, be it unversities, be it army etc.Can't be bothered to searrch all of your posts but you should remember nodding to kaddersokak's and other spammers anti-state pro AKP articles.
Actually what i was trying to say was something different.You didn't seem to be bothered by the political content of all those posts, but here, you blame people with getting 'too political' , when expressing their views on this thread..That sounds hypocritical to me. |
IQ is beside the point but mine's just fine...138 But no I don't remember applauding any anti-secular articles because I AM FOR SECULARISM. I don't know if this is what you're referring to but I do remember some people getting overhyped by the chance of Gül takign the precidential post if that's what you're talking about..? And about that, I just don't believe there's any chance that AKP's so stupid that they want to sneak religion back into politics, because that's not what they have done so far - they have established better communicaion and reputation towards the outside world eg. the EU.
Discussing politics is a wonderful thing because that's what democracy is about but when it can't be discussed without throwing stones that's where I back out.
Quoting leander:
We are VERY MUCH aware of what islamist propaganda is and don't need a danish converts expertise (!) on it, especially yours.Your post is another example of distortion of what we said.Did anyone here say villagers are bad and we don't like them?Quite the oposite, BECAUSE we love and care about them we want a better life for them, especially for women who live void of basic human rights there.But for you they are just authentic scenery , you say 'awww how sweeeeet!' and pretend to love the culture as long as you don't get to live like them and are not in one of those womens shoes..We love them tausand times more than likes of you, thats why we fight the mentality that makes them suffer.
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Well then I think we pretty much agree on this matter. I also care a great deal for those women's rights especially since I have lived among them and seen what their lives are all about. They deserve a lot of respect and shouldn't be used as political scapegoats. Think you agree on this also, no?
Quoting leander:
Reeaaally? If i were as ignorant on those matters as you are, i wouldn't dare to talk about them in boards where Turks hang out,let alone trying to lecture them on those issues.Otherwise one might end up making a fool out of oneself.
again.But sorry can't waste my time to explain the connection between all those things, maybe one day when you live here longer ,finally learn the language and are able read in turkish and educate yourself on those complex matters you'll understand what i mean.
Or maybe not, since something tells me that you'd only be reading PKK and AKP propaganda.
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They only have something to do with eachother because people are constantly trying to make those ties - it's spin.
I'm not going to comment any further because you don't have anything to put your personal insults in and I don't want to stoop to that level. Random bashing is indeed a commen thing to turn to if you're lacking factual evidence. You have no reason to attack me as I am neither of things you have labelled me as. If you have any questions be so kind so send me a PM, I don't think the rest of the members are interested in reading any more of this bogus.
out of concern to the original topic, applauding cultural heritage, I'm sorry some individuals had to turn this into personal attacks. It seems that it's not possible to discuss anything here objectively.
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03 Jun 2007 Sun 12:47 am |
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Perhaps..maybe Im wrong but..Recalling the clip...realizing a message that it leans toward one side of the coin more than the other. If it had leaned the other way, the modern islamic women would have most likely been portrayed in a more modern and natural 'work/home setting... Either side of the coins views...its a politically hot topic. The fact that it was 'women' portrayed instead of men is seemingly the biggest que for
one's own personal view/message of the clip?
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