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Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1341.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:44 pm

The logic of the day :

If Israelis are being horrible to Palestinians they GOT to be supporting PKK militants.. {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

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Thread: HOLOCAUST

1342.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:33 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

I am sorry I misunderstood you. You are doing this to set a new Guiness world record as the thickest person on the planet. Wow, man, I can post you a few more difficult texts to make your reactions look real.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

The logic here is : "Isreal´s cruelty is indexed to my "fantasies", if you are not accepting my fantasies then you are a supporter of Israel and her actions". lol lol 

Do you have more of this? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} 

 

 

 

I was really serious!! 

It was one of the funniest things I have had since I woke up!!

I mean I M DEAD SERIOUS.. Dont you see how childish and how funny it is?

I mean ´if you dont believe my FANTASIES YOU are supporter of Israel´. 

Dont you see that? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Please post more.. I am really having a boring day here..



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1343.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 11:32 am

 

Quoting vineyards

OK I am giving up. I confess:

Israel is the land of angels. They stay away from other people´s business and mind their own business. They don´t have a nationalist government in power and its people are fond of singing We Are The World, We Are he Children faithful to the original lyrics (see youtube).

They are not backing the Kurds and you know what; they love those nasty Palestinians. There is no blockade in Ghazza. All that they are doing is teaching Ghazzans a lesson to help them to become better humans.

 

They did not kill the people on MV Blue Marmara, stray bullets found the victims perchance. Israeli soldiers attacked that boat in the international waters to find a chance to defend themselves. As a manifestation of how excellent they are defensively they crushed the skull of one of the victims by firing 5 shots from short distance.

 

Ha ha

You have made my day with this post!!{#emotions_dlg.flowers}{#emotions_dlg.flowers}{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

The logic here is : "Isreal´s cruelty is indexed to my "fantasies", if you are not accepting my fantasies then you are a supporter of Israel and her actions". lol lol 

Do you have more of this? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1344.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 02:09 am

 

Quoting oeince

Seems you dont know how to read. 

A PKK supporter EU MP declares that there is an armed training camp in Larzac 1 KM away from the French army. You do not even believe the PKK symphatisan?

As you say, Phew {#emotions_dlg.silenced}

Than listen and watch...

http://www.beyazgazete.com/video/2010/03/13/fransa-dan-pkk-itirafi-atv.html

 

Just read above..

I believe the guy is a PKK/Kurdish supporter.. And he is trying to show PKK symphathetic.

And saying that ´A terrorist organization is being trained with arms in France´ wont go very well with public.. The MP is trying to get that Kurdish guy out of prison.. "He was running a terrorist camp and they were training armed militants" will be a very stupid comment if you are trying to help the guy.. yes?

I will really investigate further if you give the source in French!! Because the sources I am able to see about this is not same as translated into Turkish. Even a french person is unable to see and find the way it is being mentioned in Turkish media..

So nothing has changed I am a fraid..

 



Thread: What is your mood today?

1345.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:22 am

Soo "me, myself and I" and about to "see double" very shortly {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1346.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 11:13 pm

 

Quoting oeince

I certainly know what a camp is and what is not. I have been in many EU countries and have seen what you wrote. But the camp that is mantioned on the article that u did not read is a camp where gunned militants are being trained. I was seen the picture of there, its not in the city centre, its located among mountains. 

I also certainly know the meetings in EU countries. I also know the amount of money that flow to PKK from these meetings. I know how Militants ask for money to Kurdish people. "The Party is in a huge war we need money" right?

I also know how you took sattle permissions from EU countries and also from Canada and USA. 

As i told you even if i give you the Sun you do not believe. Even you know the truth you do not declare it. Because you do not seek the truth you just look for support to your factionist ideas. That is why lying, distorting facts, insulting etc. Everything is allowable to reach your aim.

Why do you keep to use capital letters and insultive words? Those just make you more untrustable. Those just display your ugly style.

BTW What about Israeli Officials in Iraq and Roj TV in Denmark?

We both know that the PKK is just the fork of foreign secret services. But as i told you, this is the last flutters. We come to the end.

 

 

 

Off

I did investigate a bit further.. There seems to be a video here . But the translation I got from a French person  is not saying what is being mentioned in the Turkish source!!

I even asked further investigation in google in French..And the result is the same!! No mentioning of ´armed terrorists training in the camps´. The guy is obviously a Kurdish/PKK supporter and trying put pressure onto French government..  

Then I checked some sources in french thinking that I can get a decent translation with google.. It seems to me that is what he said at that particular day (from his webs site) :

http://jose-bove.eu/index.php?post/2010/03/03/Libérez-nos-amis-Kurdes

And its translation is according to google is:..

Since 1987, tens of thousands of Kurds, including the 4,000 villages have been destroyed by Turkish troops have been moved. Many of them lost, victims of political repression and torture in Turkish prisons arrived in Europe (see AI report, the European Court of Human Rights, Rights, and the Commissioner of Human Rights and Refugees of the United Nations ...) It is in this context that the fiercely anti-terrorist sections in Europe these days have arrested 93 people including 11 in France. They were remanded in custody. The reason for their arrest remains unknown. After five days of police custody, seven of them have been indicted and placed in custody in Paris. Among them, Ahmed Dogan, a French citizen, anthropologist and journalist, resident in Mas Razali (Pierrefiche of Larzac), organizes over 10 years, so perfectly legal and well known, the days of discussion with cultural associations, days are attended by academics and associations and in the greater transparency. Ali is very famous for his involvement with the defenders of Human rights and against torture in Turkey.

So I am a bit spectacle about it.. It is a tad bit suspicious.. A person who is trying make PKK sympathetic would surely know "a terrorist camp, giving armed training to terrorists in the middle of France" is not the best way of gaining sympathy!!

I also mentioned something about Roj tv and the news ´some retired Israeli army persons SPOTTED etc´..in previous threads.

So I still say the same thing: We have heard people talking about this ´elusive support from  the west for terrorism´  since 1980s..

Kenan Evren used to say ´Dis Mihrak´ -External centers-

So.. The proof would be great.. Anyway.. This is getting boring now..

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1347.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 05:34 pm

 

Quoting oeince

 

Dear Lemon,

As you may read, thehandsom keeps asking for proofs about the support of foreign countries to the PKK.

I posted three articles those display the foreign support to PKK which are not suspects but the facts.

One of them is about a PKK camp in France that is open for fifteen years, the other is about the propaganda TV of the PKK that is being broadcasted from Denmark and the last one is about Israeli Officials who train the PKK militants. It was possible to widen the examples but I didn’t want to bore people with long articles.

However, thehandsom claims that those facts are not proofs. Although most probably he didn’t read them he writes his ideas with capital letters with his usual ugly writing style. That is why, I quoted from the Quran to say; even if I give the Sun to one of his hand and the Moon to the other one as a proof he would not still believe. These verses are mostly about the ones who do not believe the realities regardless how much clear are those. Also I added some verses about not to create defeatism in the world. These were about the PKK and the main topic of this thread, Israel.

BTW, I know there are a lot of non – Muslims in that forum. I respect their beliefs either. I addressed the Quran in order I think that thehandsom is Muslim. I wanted to remind him the holy books sentences about his approaches.

I hope those explanations would be useful for you.

 

 

I think explained to you but somehow you dont want to understand..

The camp in France is obviously not a camp!! If it was Turkey would call our ambassador you believe me on that .. I also gave you examples from the UK. Those clubs/organizations etc are not considered as terrorist camps.. I also explained why by saying that ´in the west, under normal circumstances, if you dont take a pistol and shoot people, you can not shut those places and you can not jail those people!!!!´ 

Yes, there are clubs here in the uk.. Posters are everywhere.. PKK flags are everywhere in those clubs.. But so what?

They are not called camps!! Of course you used to see Kurdish politicians being jailed. And you want the same thing to be done in France, Germany, UK etc..

But they will NOT. They can not!! They will violate their basic values if they do.. Because when you jail politicians because they speak Kurdish, you think it is normal.. But it is not... When you see people being jailed because they are holding terrorists posters. But in the west, you can hold anybody´s poster as long as you dont switch to violence..

THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO GRASP!!

So I am still waiting for the PROOF  here.. 

But instead of trying to get milk from a bull, just go and read something about our Kurdish Problem..

BTW.. I did not know those verses were for me.. But sorry.. I passed that stage of my life... You wont make me believe to some texts written over 1000 years ago.. 

 

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Thread: HOLOCAUST

1348.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:53 pm

 

Quoting oeince

what a pity

i really expected that you may see the truths that time...

Anyway, no need to lose more time with a person like you who have too many free times.

Now i must go to work to destroy your leaders

 

Well, it was time for you to go back to your verses of quran anyway..

I simply asked you to show me the proof..Just simply!!

YOU are UNABLE to show any.. which I knew you could not...

 

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Thread: HOLOCAUST

1349.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:39 pm

 

Quoting oeince

These are just for the one who keeps asking for proofs.

In order he does not believe although everything is very clear. 

 

 

 

 

I already told you that THERE IS NO PROOF..

Even Vineyards accepts that there is no proof which a normal citizen can see..

There are many clubs/associations etc  around here.. When you go in there, it is like being in a camp.. Posters of Apo, pkk flags etc are everywhere.. They arrange seminars, they even collect money..

But you can not come up and say ´UK is supporting PKK and here are the camps´ 

People will laugh at you!!  lol



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1350.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 01:42 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

You are a hopeless case. If I have to repeat a simple phrase three times just to make you understand the difference between suspicion and proven act of hostility. Excuse me, I have lost you and you have lost me. Don´t expect answers when answer is there for everyone to see.

The PKK attacks have recently increased dramaticaly and this coincided with the tension in the relations with Israel.

This raises question marks since the worsening of the relations have also had consequences on political, economic and cultural levels.

Suspicion as it is understood by any normal person is not a substantiated belied. Yet it is one of the ways we humans shape our thoughts. Conflicts between nations may get worse  when one or both of them is/are suspicious of the other. Similarly, when countries have confidence in one another they have an excellent rapport. This is why the US and Israel are such great friends. Turkey and Israel are also two great friends but this is mostly on paper. Because the US does not have full confidence in Turkey. For over fifty, years and despite all the efforts of the past governments the relations between Turkey is still being declared as getting better when a comparison is made to those between Israel and US.

Read this one carefully: in the international politics, suspicion and confidence are two golden keywords. Why did Saddam lose his head and why was his country invaded? Wasn´t that because of a mere suspicion?

 

Look!!

Just go back and  check what happened since the Kurdish opening!!

You dont need to be an extra clever to see what has happened and happening!!!

Nationalists blocked the opening; The guy in Imrali is pulling ropes.. Kurdish people is expecting a peaceful solution and with the nationalist sentiments, we are unable to provide it... PKK is there to stay..BDP is there to stay. You have to include them into the peace process. You coming and insisting that ´I dont talk to PKK-that is fine- I dont talk to Kurdish party BDP; I dont listen to NGOs -Kurdish NGOs said : both parties should stop fighting-´ and then IGNORE ALL and say ´it is Israel this time´.

This is a sheer insult to Kurds in Turkey.

The opening has stopped.. Kurdish party is closed.. People came with the opening put in jails.. People came from Iraq were returned back..

The guy in Imrali giving orders as ´I am out  from the negations end of the month´ and the attacks are starting the following day.. 

Where is Israel in this equations?

All above are OUR SHORTCOMINGS..

NO.. Israel is not in this..

This is our problem. And as long as you dont realise that  will stay as our problem ..

You are free to believe the lies!! I told and asked you ´who lied to you; what sort of lies etc´ of course.. You HAVE ignored them.. You dont have face to admit that ´the people who lied to you about the existence of Kurds, keep telling you Kurdish problem is nothing to do with Turkey. It is all foreigners´ 

Of course you will ignore those.. Because it is embarrassing.. 

Believe as much lies as you want That is your short coming..

I wont..

 



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