People who dont  know the difference between the Zionists and Jews and thinking that all Jews are Zionists, are called anti-Semitic "in generic terms". 

You are joking ???

I mean what is a map from 1920 and from treaty of Sevres got to do with Our Kurdish problem? 

You are joking!! Right??

So you are saying that ´you believe in foreign involvements for our Kurdish Problem´ without any proof and saying that ´of course ´I wont see any proof because I am an ordinary citizen´.

This is a confession!!

I was right to say that it was all rumors ...

This is the same as being in 1938, living in Istanbul and believing ´foreign involvements in Dersim incident´ while thousands were killed in caves by gassing..

We, years later, have learnt the truth:  THERE WAS NOT...

Soldiers/politicians lied to keep nationalists sentiments up  so that masses will ignore what is going on there..

You believed the people who told you ´we dont have Kurds in Turkey..they are mountain Turks´. The same people, the very same people, told you these ´external elements´  tall stories.

Those people  LIED to you .. Tell me if I am wrong!! 

And about the identity..

YES.. You do have an identity problem!!

The culture/ideas/race/nationalism you  think you are trying to defend is nothing to do with Turkish/Anatolian culture..

I asked you proof!!

A simple word..´PROOF´

Your articles are ´suspicions´!! One of them says ´spotted´!! Israel´i agents are spotted!! And you bring it as a proof?? phew..

Kurdish TV incident, possibly that Kurdish TV was established when we banned Kurdish language.

And also you have to know a few things as the fact:

In EU countries, there is a relative freedom of speach as long as you dont take your arm and start shooting people. And Turkey has been notorious to put people in jail because what they believed. Tell me if I am wrong!! can any TURK say that it is a lie?
If you have ideas ..anything..seperation; leaving  etc..it does not matter in the EU... People are not put in jail when they say they are KURDS (just 15 years ago we said there are no kurds and saying I am a kurd was a reason to go to jail!!).

People are not put in jail when they say they are not against IRA.. That is not a crime to put people in jail in EU countries.. You can go and protest about anything in eu countries.. You can carry a poster of anybody in EU countries.. Some of our Kurdish citizens carry Apo´s posters ; they carry green/yellow/red flags (there are some in the uk as well -ANYBODY CAN SAY that they are pkk camps).. That is not a crime in the EU !!! It should not be a crime in anywhere in the world in principle!!
Any country that jails people for these type of things should be ashamed of it..

Of course, when people see those protests on their tv screens, the judgment is ready ´EU is supporting terrorists´..

NO.. As long as they dont take arms to impose their ideas ´ANY IDEA IS ALLOWED´ .

That is how it is supposed to be in Turkey and how it WILL BE  in Turkey in the future...

Well

I said "proof".. not a tell-tale..

As far as I know there is not one..There are speculations/comments/opinions etc..

But NO PROOF..

These rumors were always with us.. Since the begining of our republic.. Even Seyh Sait rebellion was branded as ´with the help of British´ etc. But there was not any..Same thing was said for Dersim incident (in 1938) as well.. But there was not any.. People should be able to distinguish  the things said by the army generals and politicians for uplifting the nationalist sentiments!!

In the end,  we have had our Kurdish problem which its begining is dating with the begining of our republic (1920s) what is Israel got to with it? where is Israel fit into ´banning Kurdish language of 1980s, emptying thousands of villages etc´?

Apart from that, we are talking about 1/5 , 1/6th people of Turkey here.. I believe it is disrespecting our own Kurds, in generic terms, to think that ´they are so easily led by foreigners and betraying their own country´..

Well

There is either foriegn involvement or there is not.

If you ask these people to show any proof of about foreign involvement, they wont be able to show any!!

There is no credible evidence none what so ever eu or usa are supporting them actively.. If there was one it could have been an declaration of a war...

what is there? Just romurs that have been invented by the some people ..
As far as I know ONCE there were a few Greek army officials pictured once and they belong to Greeks deep state..And then they were finished by the Greeks!! -we are trying to do the same with Ergenekon case btw-
Anybody has NOT SHOWN any proof of foreign agency involvements!!!! If people think there are, people should PROVE that.. Any document will be appreciated for this purpose
It is just one of these paranoid ´Turks being feared and nobody wants Turks strong; everybody against us´ type imaginary theories..
Fairy tales.. It makes us feel better and important..
But that is all..
That is what Kenan Evren, our beloved dictator, told us all those years!!(He also said that to us ´there are no Kurds in Turkey´ )

When you look at into history with Kurds, almost all of them being accused with having orders from foreigners.. Almost all of them from seyh Sait to Dersim incidents..

But later on, thruth cames out. 

Also 2 years ago we discussed this here:

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_31016

Fikret Kizilok. Gecenin Ucunde

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9T9wxs5Lyc&feature=related

I am always amazed to see the level of imagination some people show when it comes to ´trying to find foreign involvements for our own internal Kurdish problem´!! 

No countries can escape from this paranoid imagination of us..

USA/ALL EU(FRANCE/UK/BELGIUM/GERMANY/ITALY/GREECE)/ARMENIA/RUSSIA/IRAQ etc and now Israel..

Narnia and middle-earth are next!!

Phew!!  

Whale lands on yacht after ´being harassed´ 

A forty-ton whale that jumped out of the water onto a couple´s yacht, smashing the mast, may have been ´harassed´ by the boat beforehand. 

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/835715-whale-lands-on-yacht-after-being-harassed

Moby Dick??

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Suicidal hare on wrong side of tracks

A SUICIDAL hare found its way onto the Shepparton greyhound racetrack, confusing the runners which were suddenly forced to choose between a fake target and the real deal.

Outsider Ginny Lou, who was in third place,  set off after the hare and after reviewing the official race film stewards declared the event a ´no race´.

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sport/ne..-real-hare/20100721-99nw.html

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what a stupid hare!!

Apart from what went on in that part of the history which we all are quite proud, but it should be noted that it was not Turkey, it was Ottoman Empire which always had a multi-national, multi-religious structure throughout  its history.

When we came to a single national Turkey era, unfortunately , the records in our dossier are not records we should be proud of..

You can call it  hysteria because of the resentments for non-muslims or Turkification or redistributing of the wealth etc but in 1934 with the first ever pogrom of Turkey, approximately 15.000 jews were forced to leave the cities/towns where they were living and had to go to other cities and other countries..(1934 Thrace incident http://ejts.revues.org/index2903.html .. Turkish source http://www.taraf.com.tr/ayse-hur/makale-1934-trakya-olaylari.htm from Ayse Hur)

With the second world war, treatment of foreigners in Turkey and with the born of Israel in 1948, jews emigrated in masses.  

Now we have only 25.000 jews living in Turkey..