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Thread: Turkey´s Erdoğan will ask for ´Yes´ with Kurdish singer´s song

1321.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 09:49 pm

 

Quoting si++

AK Party will try to convince people to vote for the constitutional amendment package in the referendum due in September 12, with a leading leftist Kurdish singer’s song.

Turkey´s Erdoğan will ask for ´Yes´ with Kurdish singer´s song

A folk song by Ahmet Kaya, Şafak Türküsü, or Ballad of the Down in English, will be the song, which Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan will show off with during a campaign to convince people to the amendment bill.

The ruling Justice and Development Party, or AK Party, Central Executive Committee (CEC) discussed the preparations for the referendum campaign in detail in its meeting Wednesday.

On Tuesday, Turkish PM read two quatrains of a poem for leftist young man, Necdet Adalı, who was executed following September 12 coup d’etat by Nevzat Çelik, while addressing AK Party MPs. Erdoğan’s crying while reading the poem sparked a debate off mostly questioning his intentions.

Erdoğan’s tears followed by a decision of using one of Kaya’s songs, the lyrics of which is of a letter by a son for his mother, he essentially had written from prison.

 

Quoted from: here

 

Though Ahmet Kaya has never been my singer..

But this song, Si++ has mentioned in this post, made us always quite sad.. It was a feeling, a sadness  we could not share with many at the time, we would just share between eachother. (it is a poem about a young boy who is waiting to be hanged and his letters to his mom.). We simply could not explain the sadness of sending a young boy to gallows or could not share what we felt with masses !!

Years later, maybe for a political purpose or maybe genuine, The prime minister mentioned  it in the parliament.. 

I think it is a great indication about the level of democracy we have right now comparing to old days and the will to confront with our past mistakes..

I am simply thankful..

Here is the song from Ahmet Kaya - Safak Turkusu (Ballad of dawn)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSjUHIVJcA0&feature=related

 

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1322.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 09:21 pm

I think it is now the time to bring the karpuz..

lol lol

http://www.biyolojiegitim.yyu.edu.tr/k/Mey/images/Meyve%20Karpuz_JPG.jpg



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1323.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 09:01 pm

 

Quoting oeince

Is this your answer to the owner of those word? 

Turkish Government has to treat Kurdish people as they she wants how Turkish society would be treated in Western Thrace. Even the connotation of discrimination is not acceptable. Turkish Government has to acquire Kurdish people’s trust back regardless why and how it spoiled. Even the sympathizers trust. This is our country, these are our people and this is our problem.  

Local Governments reform is a must. Local Governments has to be empowered.  Primary education, basic healthcare and police services must be introduced by local governments. Selective local language courses must be allowed at primary schools according to the needs of the city. Local government’s tax revenues must be increased harmoniously with their new duties according. Central Government must make the re-distribution of tax revenues according to population or the tax revenue that is acquired in the borders of the municipality. In that point a risk occurs. That is, even now, with lower incomes, some municipalities help PKK, how to prevent that that illegal finance transfer? The Government has to establish a very effectual audit mechanism. She has to designate the standards of service introduction and has to make a performance audit which has legal and financial enforcements. The second problem is nepotism and that would again be prevented with audits. There must be clear standards of recruitment and contracts processes. The audits must be made to increase service quality and prevent corruptions. If the central government plays the inspector role rather than service provider role, that increases service quality.

Land reform has to be done. The feudal structure must be put away. All people have to be individuals who are not bounded to feudal leaders. That reform must be done by encouragement to prevent feudal leader’s resistance. Such as barter can be offered to those leaders. Industrial plant real estates can be given to those leaders in response to their agriculture lands. And the lands can be given to villagers without lands who work on that land. The government must provide extensive agriculture consultancy service to those villagers. So with land reform, industrial capacity and agricultural capacity would also be increased while people become free individuals. 

Periodic forgiveness must be provided for the terrorists just for once. That period must be no longer than three months. That period is enough for the publicity of the policy and enough for terrorists to abandon their guns and run away from the organism. Those who abandon their guns must be obliged to work in public services for 5-10 years. Those services must be mostly the ones those are provided for martyr soldiers’ families. New identities can also be given to them.  They have to be monitored by the government. At the end of that 3 months process Turkish army must enter terrorist camps in Northern Iraq, Avaşin Basyan, Hakurk Zap etc an destroy them at all. Turkish army must stay in those camps until absolute security is established. 

Economic clusters must be established in all regions. Industrial promotes must be implemented in the regions according to comparative industrial production superiorities. But that has to be audited well to prevent corruptions. 

And finally exchange programs must be organised to increase the harmony between Kurdish and Turkish people.

That is the difference between you and me. I show my arm to terrorists, you want to show urs to people who spends all their times on the sloution. Ehy are you feeling restless when a person mentions "PKK will end and Kurdish and Turkish people will live in peace" Do you support PKK?

In order to find solution and debate i posted that message;

 

I think we both said enough about that issue. Thats why I will not answer you.

And you please, do not begin threads about PKK for a long time. If someone starts a topic about PKK lets just refer those threads. Because a problem must not been talked again and again and again.

Whatever thought is told by both sides. Now lets stop. PKK is not the only matter about Turkey! I am sure PKK and Kurdish problem is not the only thing that followers of that site wonders. Lets talk something different from now on. And wait and see who is right.

OK? Deal?

 

Is this your answer to that post? Is this your way of solving problems? Is this your style of peace building? If you cannot even get on with me, who will you get on with? Or you don´t want to deal with anybody but just dictate your ideas? My lecturers tought me that this is not the way how the prblems are getting solved. If only you could just attend one of our lectures. May be you would think of stopping to fed up with fight! I will not be a part of your silly game. There are more important games to be played!

Another difference between me and you is, when you think that you lose debates you just appeal personal attacks. Because you are in love with yourselve and I am trying to solve the problem.

You are an easy picking for me, so even if i humiliate you 10 times a day, that does not add anything to the solution of the problem. Thats why, i have answers to all words but i look if the word is word, and than i look at the man if he is a man or not?

I have no answers to you!

 

 

 

You have already lost it on several grounds.

Your teachers seem to have neither enough brain power nor enough intelligence to produce  a solution .. How can they where as they are the problem.. The best thing I recommend your teachers to shut up and stop trying to prevent the peace in this country . They are not ´intelligent enough´ They are not bright enough..

Just go and try to educate yourself ..Try to learn more about this topic.. Not from those bunch of fantasists.. Sorry to say but..If you dont, the result will be always the same for you : An embaressing education!!

Yes..we are different..Thanks god..

Look, stop embaressing yourself here by coming back again and again like a broken record without answering any questions or without thinking carefully how you can proof for what you are saying.. 

Look at yourself!! Look who is trying to go into personal attacks childishly.. Can you not see how embaressing it is??

Phew!!

 



Edited (7/26/2010) by thehandsom
Edited (7/26/2010) by thehandsom



Thread: Dangerous games

1324.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 07:13 pm

 I think, as long as Turkish people dont question  ´why Turkey has the biggest racist and fascist party in Europe´, I am sure, we wont be able to live with anybody at all..

That is what the racists want : Turkey with Turks only..



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1325.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 04:48 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

I will have to lock this thread if you continue posting messages:

 

* justifying terror

* declaring the Turkish Army incompetent (without going into speculation about whether it is right or wrong: this may constitute a crime in Turkey)

* personal attacks

* anti-Dutch, anti-Turkish, anti-Kurdish etc. sentiments.

 

Although, I believe Turkey has much more freedom of speech and criticizing  the army is allowed in democracies and also you would not object me criticizing the education system or the judiciary  but,  I did modify my post and deleted a line..

Saying that ´terrorism is the result of some other problems´ is nothing to do with justification of terrorism. That is what I believe..

But if you read everything from the beginning, I think you should start deleting your own posts for personal attacks, for being anti-Kurdish and for being anti-Turkish..

But anyway, nice to see that your mod powers are back  and I deleted the line.. 

 



Edited (7/26/2010) by thehandsom



Thread: Dangerous games

1326.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 02:39 pm

This is really dangerous..

According to news sources, this is just a  scuffle turned into riot... Some other sources are quoting the incident as ´racists attacking Kurdish houses´ and a local pogrom...All the officials are called back to duty in the town (Iinegol/ Bursa)..  

Kurds and BDP are being shown as the target by the biggest racist party of Europe with the name of nationalism!!!

Is it how we are going to live together? 

 

http://www.todayszaman.com..s-scuffle-turns-into-riot.html



Edited (7/26/2010) by thehandsom



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1327.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 04:16 am

Blimey you are still here..and determined to eat watermelon this time..lol

Quoting oeince

You always say they do terrorism but they have reasons right? Thats absolutely how you justify terrorism. If a person supports peace s/he must stop with blaming all kind of terrorists. The approach of "my terrorists is good, they have reasons for that" just deepens the problem. You must quit that as soon as possible.

 

What I said was ´terrorism is the result of a social unrest´. Almost all terrorists think that they are right and fighting for justice!! They always think that they are being victimized and fighting for a cause which they believe is a fight against unjust´. If it is the first time you are hearing these type of things, send my best regards again to your teachers!!! Thinking ´it is just terrorism´ is the main part of this problem we are having in Turkey!!

I certainly know what i said in all my posts. Because i didn´t build up those ideas nowadays. But i will repeat again in order you do not understand or you distort facts. The main problem of Turkey is terrorism. Terrorists do not represent Kurdish people. They work for the sake of foreign secret services. 

Turkey has a Kurdish Problem we have to sort out. if we can not, we will split.. Since all those mistakes were made in the past, now PKK is attached to it.. They are supported by our Kurds, we like it or not.. That is the result.. And there is no proof of foreign involvements!!! (Everybopdy accepts that in Turkey now..Even the president of Turkey!! I dont know why you are insisting about it!!)

 

There is a Kurdish problem also which is absolutely different than terrorism. I mentioned how that problem can be solved in my previous posts and i guess we agreed in many points.

The Kurdish problem is the real reason why we have the terrorism.. how can you not see that? almost everybody sees that...Because of the support the terrorists get from the Kurds, you have to sort this out together now.. You can not split as problem and terrorism..They are attached !! And you wont be able to sort at all..

And yes we will show the arm to terrorists if they do not surrounder. That is a strategy called carret and stick. That strategies effectiveness is tested in the solution of different ethnic problems. But i wont go into academic details of it for you to understand it You don´t even understand single words, i will not confuse you with academic discussions.


I am not interested in arm showing.. But there is a result..30 years of arm showing..70.000 deaths..PKK is still there..1500 of them in Turkey.. They are killing our soldiers . It is all because of arm showing..We dont want any arms..Obviously those men living in caves dont understand and dont care about your arms.. just keep your arms into yourself to save them from getting broken.. If they are trying to teach you these ´magical arm showings´ in the school, send my best regards to your teachers once more...lol

 

About the number of Kurds, why don´t you tell that to 1000 people who made that study i referred. They are not Turkish at all. But shitting peoples expertises is your style if you don´t like the results of them right? Thats why i tell you don´t look for truth but try to dictate your ideas. 

Tt is simply not right..Go and read Ismail Besikci a bit..go and check how many kurds it is mentioned in Konda researches etc.. Almost agreed by everybody that there are over 10 million Kurds in Turkey.. If they are trying to hide these numbers in your school I will come and visit them to show arm really!!

Production of education system mean? What a huge sentence. Wow. Stop talking nonsenses dude. That education system raised Muzaffer Sherifs, Şerif Mardins, Vamık Volkans etc.

They must be before you or before 1980s.. I am not talking nonsense here..I just read a long article about how our new education system is trying to provide ´state protectors´  instead of teching them how to be independent thinkers..

Handsome, have you ever fight with your gf, wife or friend etc? To end the fight and let both sides to think calmer you have to stop talking about the problems. If you keep talking about problems always, you just blame each other, many times by overreacting. That is why i hold out the olive branch to you, to think calmer. But i think i am right to think that you are fed by fights. Thats why you don´t want to stop. Generally ladies act like that. They always keep asking but why? But why? But you did that! etc. We man must calm them down those times to go on our relationship right?

So i just ask you to act just like a handsome guy acts.

 

 

 

 

Look ..I never consider you as my gf or my wife..

I never did and I will never do ..OK? lol lol 

Also I dont like you categorising ´women is like that´ ´men is like that; men calm the situations´ etc type of typical sexist approach. Are they teaching you those sexist views in school?..Stop thinking about my blood pressure, I am calm as the dead sea here lol lol..



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1328.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 01:32 am

 

Quoting oeince

I say If you want peace than stop justifiying terrorism.

I say I study on socio-economic development of ethnic groups, at university. If you care about that issue as much as me come to Turkey and work on the solution of the problem. Don´t just tell lies from there. May be you contrubute peace. 

And I say, we talked enough. Lets do not repeat ourselves and lose time. 

BTW I also say stop fabricating. Read before you talk. Because i am worried tomorrow you may say there are 50 million Kurds http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=TRA

 

 

 

 

Allah allah..who is trying to justify terrorism?

We are trying to talk about our Kurdish problem which you started "denying" as ´we dont have Kurdish problem but all is terrorism; foreign involvements but you can  not see that and I dont have a proof either; they are top secret; blah blah´ Then later on switched to ´we have actually Kurdish problem; because of that we will make the country more democratic for them; we will make sure they are treated as the people in the west etc´ then said ´we will show the arm´ ..That is the real problem here and in Turkey.. Because of the people like you who wanted to show arms and called everything a terrorism only ´we still have this problem in these days´

As far as your education and what you are showing here as the knowledge, I dont know.. May be the level of ´knowledge (or lack of knowledge)´ can be a criteria for calling a person as educated in Turkish standarts.. It is really sad.. You are showing every necessary indication that you are the product of the education system which we all have to cry for.. Give my best regards to your teachers!!

Look at this..You are even not close about the numbers about Kurds..



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1329.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Jul 2010 Mon 12:03 am

 

Quoting oeince

I think we both said enough about that issue. Thats why I will not answer you.

And you please, do not begin threads about PKK for a long time. If someone starts a topic about PKK lets just refer those threads. Because a problem must not been talked again and again and again.

Whatever thought is told by both sides. Now lets stop. PKK is not the only matter about Turkey! I am sure PKK and Kurdish problem is not the only thing that followers of that site wonders. Lets talk something different from now on. And wait and see who is right.

OK? Deal?

 

I dont know what you mean by that..

I dont think it is important to me what you think it should be talked here or not.. I decide what to post or what not to post as long as I am within the rules and I think it is an important subject for Turkey.. So none of your business..

But one thing for sure, I will not stop answering any racist or belittleing comments about my country and telling the truth or what it should be in my opinion.. That was the case for me that will always be the case for me.. 

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

1330.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Jul 2010 Sun 11:42 pm

 

Quoting oeince

As i said before those opportunists like thehandsom always distort the facts. DTP achieved its biggest vote shares in 2009 local elections they took %5.7 which is 2.271.000 people. Comparing to 5.000.000 you mention three fifth of all your words are lies. Check it here: http://secim.haberler.com/2009/

After Turkish goverment fulfills the demorcatic reforms, Kurdish people will vote for the service quality. And i am sure DTP or whatever its name now, can not get % 1 even. Because those municipalities don´t provide service to people at all. The streets are full of garbage. What can you expect from a municipality if its mayor recieve orders from the garbage man. We certainly know that Mayors of PKK recieve orders from their workers in order those workers effects are more in KCK, the city organisation of PKK.

We need those reforms in order Turkey will be a very effectual country soon. Although there is no discrimination, the provakers of PKK and foreign secret services made a group of Kurdish people believe in that. So regardless how and why, we will acquire the trust of Kurdish people back. 

As i told before if you can imagine that ethnic problems don´t have foreign effects you must be living in the space or you just do that to distort the facts. 

Coming to PKK militants. You will see how they comes pattering

Turkey´s destiny is changing. We will solve all problems and PKK will recieve that! You see my arm!

 

 

 

Well sometimes, it looks like the truth has to be ´inserted into your brains´!!

We are talking about 1/3 of Kurdish voters here.. Kurds are 15 to 20 million!!  The number of voters plus their familes etc 1/3 of kurds are supporting DTP!! That 1/3 is minimum 5 million!!! So basically as far as the lies are concerned, I am not you!!

The lesson of the last election was ´Kurds said identity´.. Read my posts about it.. (That is the conclusion from many political commentater including Mehmet Ali Birand..)

So as far as the local goverments are concerned, they will vote for BDP again.. Their identity is more important to them then their garbage collection I assume..

So keep dreaming about we make the reforms and bdp will go away..NO.. Kurds know that if there was not BDP , we Turks would not give any rights to them...

Now you are saying ´there is no discrimination.. But in your earlier post you said there is..

you said :

Turkish Government has to treat Kurdish people as they she wants how Turkish society would be treated in Western Thrace. Even the connotation of discrimination is not acceptable. Turkish Government has to acquire Kurdish people’s trust back regardless why and how it spoiled. Even the sympathizers trust.

If we were treating Kurds as equal.. why would you say that?

Are you saying that we dont have any discrimination but it was all a HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE KURDS.. lol lol

And also you said, This is our country, these are our people and this is our problem.

You should have added "unseen top top top secret foreign agencies which even I can not see but I believe they are there" lol lol   

Turkey has to sort her Kurdish problem if she wants to be in the top position in the middle east and in its region....A Turkey who is unable to solve this problem can not be as effective as she can be.

We almost lost 70.000 people since the beginning of this war for 30 years because people insisting showing the arms which got broken and then slapped on the face like little prats.

We dont want to lose another 30 years.. If we revert to military solution which, in effect,  what we have been doing all those years and failing, again we will lose all the Kurds and part of our country. So we dont want that arm or war anymore..

We want peace.. 

 



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