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Thread: What are you listening now?

21.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Mar 2014 Wed 01:37 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_S0Xoo02A

Five Hundred Miles - Justin Timberlake, Carey Mulligan, Stark..



Thread: Chess and a very sensitive historical issue between Turks and Armenians

22.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Mar 2014 Sun 11:06 pm

 

Quoting alameda

You obviously subscribe to the battering ram school of debate, that is just keep saying the same thing over and over again so as to eventualy people will tire, who will thenlet what you say stand. 

You evidently choose to ignore my post #6 and the Hunchek charter of 1887, or I might add the birth of the Dashnak group? ...Then there is ARF akd Dashnak group.

What do you call it when citizens of one country fight against other citizens of the same country?

Maybe this link will help clarify it for you....." a civil war is a war between organized groups within the same state or republic.."

 

 

 

I am not saying the same thing again and again.

On the contrary, what you are saying is the what we were taught in our schools again and again: Armanians betrayed us and we have to relocate them for their own safety  but unfortunately they died on the road..

But now we know that it is not the truth.

I dont know why you think hunchak charter is so important!! what does it prove? what do you think a charter got to do with forcing Armenians from Istanbul? does it prove all the Armenians were thinking like that? (infact I was unfortunate to read many Turkish left wing charters in my life. They had a few thousands or couple of thousands most, people supporters.. Now if you see one of them will you think that all Turks are thinking the same? can you see why hunchaks or dashnaks charters are not important here? )

Anyway..

Just let you know that was not a civil war. Even an average Turk would not call it civil war.



Thread: Chess and a very sensitive historical issue between Turks and Armenians

23.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Mar 2014 Fri 10:58 am

 

Quoting alameda

That appears to be the case, however they don´t mention that fact. From what I see, it appears to be a sort of civil war within a war. 

 

 

 

It was NOT a civil war.

You should seriously check your facts and numbers and read more.

There is a whole history behind that incident: Ottomans losing wars; Balkan experiences-ethnic clensing of turks/muslims;1895-96 300.000 Armenians dead; Kizil Sultan Abdulhamit-why is is he kizil?; Hamidiye Alaylari -Kurds involvment; shame of Sarikamis incident; psychology of loosing everything..

The end of all is that, there were  1.2 million Armenians in Anatolia in 1914 and remained around 200.000 end of 1915.

That is the reality and it wont go away.

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Thread: Chess and a very sensitive historical issue between Turks and Armenians

24.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Mar 2014 Thu 10:33 am

 

Quoting denizli

Why does Turkey claim this was not genocide? Do most Turkish people claim this was not genocide?

 

I am just tying to understand, I have limited knowledge on the subject.

 

That is the thing..

As soon as you leave the borders of Turkey, people will tell you about what it was.

In Turkey there is pollution of information about history. The ugly parts of our history have been changed, hidden etc. Many lies have been told by the state. For example as a nation we were told "the state suppressed an uprising in 1937 in Dersim" but later on the truth came out that it was not uprising at all and we gassed thousands in caves  for example. The state told us "there are no Kurds in Turkey". 

I dont think the states can hide historical truths forever.

And I dont think it is important if it is called genocide or not.. The ugly truth is that it did not happen the way it was told officially. (the official version is they rebelled, we had to relocate them for their safty, but the it was a long journey, and they died on the road etc).

There was/is an ideology behind it. It was planned and executed.

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Thread: Chess and a very sensitive historical issue between Turks and Armenians

25.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Mar 2014 Wed 10:17 am

 

Quoting alameda

In fact, I am very cognizant of the matter, having lived around Armenians most my life, and heard about the matter. I believed it for years, until studying history on my own on unrelated matters. That led me to learning a few contradictory facts.

Yes, I do think they want land, in fact. It is all but impossibble to have a civil conversation with them regarding the matter. Believe me, I am more than aware of the danger they can present if you don´t agree.

...and, I know there are some who most definitly want land and money. 

Armenian homeland may affect Turkey and Georgia 

Until people can converse about the issue in a dispassionate manner, not seeking vengance nothing can be done. The fact is, the matter of "Armenian Genocide" is nothing in comparison to the African slave trade, the American Indian matters, and here is no country that has any right to speak on the matter until they clean up their own mess. 

 

 

 

I am a bit suspicious of your claim about being knowledable of the matter.

A few Armenians saying ´they want Anatolia´ is NOT a security threat to Turkey. Or in that respect they are not more believable than some right wing Greeks who think the west of Turkey must be part of part Greece, or some right wing Turks who think we should reach to Ottomani borders at some stage. 

The real question is "those Armenians and those Greeks are posing a danger to Turkey´s integrity?".

My answer is "I dont think so". If you ask Turks in generic, I dont think Turkish people think there is such a danger. 

However, the entire incident of 1915 was about "the wealth changing hands"  as much as "Ittihat ve terakki leaders´ murderous, instinctive, darwinist decision of wiping Anatolia from non-muslim members".

I am not sure but I think, people who benefited this wealth exchange is resisting the most about this subject being mentioned.

But the truth is there, even if we dont like it.

 



Thread: Chess and a very sensitive historical issue between Turks and Armenians

26.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Mar 2014 Wed 12:54 am

 

Quoting alameda

Yes, there is a very well organized Armenian community to keep speaking up for Arnemians and recognition of "Armenian Genocide". They are well educated, well connected and well placed. They have a strong constituancy group in the USA, they have been working on it for over a century. 

Most people do not realize "Genocide" is a legal term that once it´s determined or admited to, reuires certain legal steps follow. Pure and simple it takes in territorial rights  

 

The entire population of Armenians are about 5.000.000 in the world. Do you really believe they are asking the recognition of genocide because they have eyes in Turkish land? Do you really think Armenians are genuinely planning to come back and live between 80 million  Turks+Kurds after all this?

Have you ever spoken to a person who said to you that ´she does not have a country where she belongs to´?

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

27.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Mar 2014 Sat 01:39 am

 

Quoting giz

resul dindar... kendine iyi bak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7pCWM11vTw

 

Guzellik  dedigimiz seyler cogu kez raslantisal ve zaman dedigimiz ve durup dinlenmeden akip giden olgunun icerisine serpistirilmis seyler. Resul Dindar´da bu guzel seylerden biri.

Varliklarindan haberdar degildim. Tesekkurler.



Thread: #BerkinElvanÖlümsüzdür

28.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Mar 2014 Tue 01:02 pm

 https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BerkinElvan%C3%96l%C3%BCms%C3%BCzd%C3%BCr

 

more pics: http://fotogaleri.gazetevatan.com/berkin-elvann-lmn-ardndan-eylemler-balad/33323/6/Haber 

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Thread: what caught my eye today

29.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Mar 2014 Tue 10:26 am

Berkin Elvan, who has been in a coma since June 2013 after being struck in the head by a gas canister during a police crackdown on protesters, died March 11, his family announced via Twitter.

“To our people: We lost our son Berkin Elvan at 7 a.m. in the morning. Condolences to us all,” Elvan´s parents said in the message.

The young teenager, the eighth person to be killed in the Gezi Park protests, went into a coma after sustaining a head injury from a gas canister as he went to buy bread during a police crackdown in Istanbul’s Okmeydanı neighborhood last June. Elvan has since become one of the prime symbols violence faced by protesters throughout the nationwide Gezi demonstrations.

He had only turned 15 in January while still in a coma..

Source:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/15-year-old-gezi-victim-berkin-elvan-dies-after-269-days-in-coma-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63429&NewsCatID=341

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Forgive us boy..



Thread: How helpful are Turkish men?

30.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Mar 2014 Sun 09:01 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Wow! That is amazing, that report is clearly biased.. I AM SURE that making of that omelette in 1993 and the barbecue in 2007 added up to way more minutes then 116min/day of house work!! I am sure that after 3 trials of getting the eggs done, burning down the kitchen, smoke poisoning the cat, then rebuilding the house and attempting at the omelette again, it all added up to way more than 116 minutes/day! 

 

You have some issues with Turkish men too? {#emotions_dlg.razz}

 



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