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Thread: A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?

101.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Nov 2013 Wed 12:38 pm

The word “Kurdistan,”

An important detail, and a first, was that Erdogan used the word “Kurdistan,” in reference to the KRG. That is crucial, because many Turks, who are fearful of a would-be Kurdistan inside Turkey, cannot accept there is already a Kurdistan on the other side of the Iraqi border. 

...

The presence of Sivan Perwer, a popular Kurdish singer who has been living in Europe for more than three decades due to the ban on his songs in his home country, Turkey, was also symbolically important. His songs are known to have inspired many Kurdish youngsters who joined the “guerrillas.”

His return to Turkey, and his support for peace, might encourage the same youngsters to leave arms.

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All in all, the Diyarbakir meeting underlined the great transformation in Turkey relating to the Kurds: Ankara, which for decades saw all Kurds, in Turkey or abroad, as a problem, is now willing to see them as an asset.  

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source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-turko-kurdish-axis.aspx?pageID=449&nID=58183&NewsCatID=411

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

102.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Nov 2013 Wed 01:36 am

 

Quoting insallah

 

 

Are you serious ? I didn´t even know it was a legal requirement, obviously having lights makes it safer but had no idea it was required , i´m sure lots of kids wont have them. Think it was a quiet day for police.......

 

I am serious.. It says ´offence code :506´ on the ticket. Grrr..

I think there have been many accidents recently:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/18/sixth-london-cyclist-killed-camberwell-lorry

 



Thread: Our racist oath

103.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Nov 2013 Wed 12:56 am

 

Quoting alameda

Actually, you didn´t. What you did do is evade the actual answer and claim you answered. That´s the tactic of The Big Lie...and
"There´s nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it." - William James The father of modern Psychology 

 

 

 

 

Actually, I did.. Not once but many many times. And you KNOW IT. lol

Our oath was a racist one. I know it, you know it, EVERYBODY knows it.

It was a great embarrassment  for all of us.

It has gone for the good.

That is the bottom line.



Thread: A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?

104.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Nov 2013 Tue 10:44 am

..We have to admit that some of the scenes we witnessed would be unthinkable a decade ago.

.. was an investment made by Erdoğan for next year’s local elections and the general elections in 2015.


One cannot help thinking what would have happened if these taboos had been overcome 15 years ago. Had that happened many deaths and serious human rights violations would have been avoided. Seeing as oppression begets terrorism, a fact proved time and again sociologically and historically, the PKK would not have made such headway too.
 
..has managed to breakdown age-old taboos without a major reaction from the public, there is much that those who cling to these taboos, and cannot digest the scenes we witness in Diyarbakir, have to re-evaluate.

.. his “Kurdish, Turkish, Zaza and Arab brothers” and said “this republic is also yours. This state is yours also” and continued thus:

“From now on no one can look down on another person. No one can treat someone else as a second-class citizen. No culture and identity can be denied. There can be no discrimination, vilification, denial and assimilation in the new Turkey, and there will not be.”

These remarks deserve applause. But many are wondering if these promises will remain only in word, ..

This republic is of course all of ours. But when we say “all of ours” it is not sufficient to just refer to citizens of Kurdish, Turkish or Arab origin. The republic also belongs to those who think and believe differently, who do not want interference in their lifestyles, in other words those who had opposed discrimination, vilification and attempted to assimilate based on a religious understanding of morality.

The Kurdish problem may be Turkey’s bleeding wound, but we see on a daily bases that this is not the only issue that is disrupting social peace and stability in this country.
source:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-should-not-forget-this.aspx?pageID=449&nID=58122&NewsCatID=416

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I agree with most of things the writer has written.

It is time for people to re-evaluate why they are still clinging the old taboos and unable to digest what they have seen in Diyarbakir. We have not seen deaths of people since breaking these taboos and talking about the peace. Yes, we could have avoided all those deads and human rights abuses if we were able to look at this issue from a different window rather than trying to make them Turks with stick.



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

105.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Nov 2013 Tue 09:40 am

I was given a ticket for ´Lights not conforming or not lit during hours of darkness´ last night when coming home on my bicycle!!!

{#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}



Edited (11/19/2013) by thehandsom
Edited (11/19/2013) by thehandsom



Thread: A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?

106.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 01:01 pm

 

Quoting alameda

..............ah Mr. H....so what is it you propose....a One World order

 

 

 

I am not sure what you mean but I can tell you one thing that all nationalist ideas ultimate goal is a totolitarian regime and if given a chance, they wont hesitate to create ´one world order´ under their nationalistic umbrella.



Thread: A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?

107.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 12:07 am

 

Quoting burakk

this was the song sang by şivan perver as the president cried:

 

"Kaç bin yıldır kürdistan´ımız düşman esaretinde,
Koruduk biz doğuyu kan içici düşman Türk´lerden"

 

I think that is a quite distorded translation of  the lyrics of that song.

I have checked a few sources and the part of the song is :

(in Kurdish)

em in rojhilat,
tev birc û kelat.
tev bajar û gund,
tev zinar û lat.
ji destê dijmin:
dijminê xwînxwar,
xurt û koledar
ji rom, ji fireng,
di rojên pir teng,
bi kûştin û ceng.
parast, parast
parast min ev rojhilat
kîne em?
hey hey hey kîne em?

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Turkish version is :


biziz doğu..
her burçta ve hisarda.
her şehirde ve köyde.
her yamaçta ve kayalıkta
düşmanın elinden:
kan içici düşmanın,
güçlü ve köleci,
romların(türk) ve frenklerin,
çok dar günlerinde,
ölümlerinde ve savaşlarında.
koruduk, koruduk.
koruduk biz bu doğu’yu
kimiz biz?
hey hey hey hey kimiz biz?

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Even the word "Turk" is not mentioned in its original!!

Source: http://siirlerlesarkilarla.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/cigerxwin-kine-em-biz-kimiz-sivan-perwer/

I think I have mentioned several times that nationalism has to find enemies to survive and it will create false enemies when it is necessary.



Edited (11/18/2013) by thehandsom

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Thread: A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?

108.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Nov 2013 Fri 12:57 pm

Sivan Perwer to return to Turkey after 37 years!!

Famous Kurdish singer Sivan Perwer is set to return to Turkey after being in self-exile for 37 years due to political problems. ...

 

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=122731

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Day is a day for celebration!

 

 

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Thread: What are you listening now?

109.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Nov 2013 Fri 11:46 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krrmjvKNvVM&list=PLD0C2FD64B7E13DF5 

Sivan Perwer - Hayderi



Thread: A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?

110.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Nov 2013 Fri 11:44 am

..Masoud Barzani’s upcoming visit for the weekend, has already achieved historic importance. Barzani will be travelling to Diyarbakir with Prime Minister Erdogan. Famous Kurdish singer Sivan Perwer will be in Diyarbakir on the same day after more than 30 years in exile. These developments add up to affirm the once and for all refutation of the secularist-nationalist claims imposed on the people for decades. It was precisely for this reason that nationalist reactions to this visit were raised without delay. Erdogan is once again accused of dividing the country.

The Kemalists, on the other hand, claim all that was achieved by the secular state has been forfeited.

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Source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-historic-day-for-kurdish-peace.aspx?pageID=449&nID=57932&NewsCatID=436

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I am really happy to see Sivan Perwer is coming home. 

 

 

 



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