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Thread: Armenians-Turks

7221.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 06:01 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting teaschip1:

Yes, and look who the author is. I have little regard for his publishings. Keep doing your research...Maybe fearless can share his book with you.



How about bbc?
Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
The guardian
Just curious:
You really dont believe that usa is in Iraq because of democracy or 9/11..do you?



This has nothing to do with 9/11. Do I believe our soldiers are there for demoracy and to help the Iraqi people build a better country, absoultely! I support our troops, 100%. I have friends serving in the military over there and I hear from them the good we are doing in Iraq over the overwhelming negetivity they receive from the outside. You do realize our military is voluntarily? The government does not require anyone to serve. Do I believe in war? No, not necessarily, however it's inevitable since the beginning of man.


The word I can only find for you is NAIVE..
Because you and people like you, YOU GOT 1.000.000 MILLION PEOPLE KILLED there. Killing is still going on.
Nobody wants you there.
Nobody asked you to be there.
You have no right to be there.
Daylight robbery it is.
Biggest terrorist act it is.




Sounds like you need anger management courses theugly... Your words have no effect on me, so cast stones all you want. You have alot of room to talk about killings, what about the denial of the Armenian Geoniced by your country. When you throw your attacks at people, all I can fathom is a sense of jealousy...keep it up...


On the invasion of IRAQ, yes..
I may need anger management. I never denied that..



Thread: Armenians-Turks

7222.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 05:52 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting teaschip1:

Yes, and look who the author is. I have little regard for his publishings. Keep doing your research...Maybe fearless can share his book with you.



How about bbc?
Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
The guardian
Just curious:
You really dont believe that usa is in Iraq because of democracy or 9/11..do you?



This has nothing to do with 9/11. Do I believe our soldiers are there for demoracy and to help the Iraqi people build a better country, absoultely! I support our troops, 100%. I have friends serving in the military over there and I hear from them the good we are doing in Iraq over the overwhelming negetivity they receive from the outside. You do realize our military is voluntarily? The government does not require anyone to serve. Do I believe in war? No, not necessarily, however it's inevitable since the beginning of man.


The word I can only find for you is NAIVE..
Because you and people like you, YOU GOT 1.000.000 MILLION PEOPLE KILLED there. Killing is still going on.
Nobody wants you there.
Nobody asked you to be there.
Iraqies did not ask you to be there.
You have no right to be there.
You have no mandate from UN.
Daylight robbery it is.
Biggest terrorist act it is.






Thread: Armenians-Turks

7223.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 05:16 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Yes, and look who the author is. I have little regard for his publishings. Keep doing your research...Maybe fearless can share his book with you.



How about bbc?
Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
The guardian
Just curious:
You really dont believe that usa is in Iraq because of democracy or 9/11..do you?



Thread: Armenians-Turks

7224.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 04:05 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Fearless just to give you some statistics on the misconseption of oil the U.S. gets from Iraq take a look.

Importance of Iraqi Oil to the U.S.

The United States imported 11.3 million barrels of oil from Iraq. In comparison, imports from other major OPEC oil-producing countries included:

Saudi Arabia - 56.2 million barrels
Venezuela 20.2 million barrels
Nigeria 19.3 million barrels
Kuwait - 5.9 million barrels
Algeria - 1.2 million barrels

Leading imports from non-OPEC countries

Canada 46.2 million barrels
Mexico 53.8 million barrels
United Kingdom 11.7 million barrels
Norway 4.5 million barrels



How about this link then?
LINK



Thread: please help me so worried

7225.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 03:42 pm

Quoting portokal:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting lauraacorah:

lol EVET



Ouhhhhhhhhh


girls, girls..
most of us (I mean most of turkish men) have hairy chests and dark eyes..ok?
stop making fuss about it.



are you?
do you have a pic?



Since Laura says she does not mind spoiling her thread, fine by me..
I have put my picture in my profile..
Happy now?
lol lol



Thread: please help me so worried

7226.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 01:45 am

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting lauraacorah:

lol EVET



Ouhhhhhhhhh


girls, girls..
most of us (I mean most of turkish men) have hairy chests and dark eyes..ok?
stop making fuss about it.



Fighting words from the man calling himself TheHandsom lol lol lol


damn..
even if I delete my comments, I cant delete the quotes..



Thread: please help me so worried

7227.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2007 Wed 01:40 am

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting lauraacorah:

lol EVET



Ouhhhhhhhhh


girls, girls..
most of us (I mean most of turkish men) have hairy chests and dark eyes..ok?
stop making fuss about it.



Thread: please help me so worried

7228.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 10:38 pm

Hamam da kadinlar gunu gibi



Thread: Armenians-Turks

7229.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 03:12 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom:


-We know that many Turks and many many Armenians died.


can you come out with any statistics of "many turks died"?

how come so many people die during one march? why did it take so many lives and so many months? in fact it wasnt a long distance.

i know you will stand in defence of turkey not the justice in any case.

the truth is: turks were afraid of the growing number of armenians and decided to decrease it. turks have been decreasing the number of other ethnicities constantly throughout centuries. the proof is the visible shrinking groups of other ELEMENTS (vineyards call them so). changing names and surnames into muslim in fear of persecution and jizia etc etc.
well, you can still justify all these attrocities changing the subject into america and europe. when we talk of this you cant straightly say : yes, lets talk it, but you say look at how america is evil, europe is evil.
all you say is : we should open the archives!
but it is always abonded on this level, no other step taken, just words.



I am not sure you can find reliable statistics about it..But I remember around 200.000..I might be completely wrong..I will investigate and write here.
I am not trying to justify any atrocities at all. I am criticizing Turkey for it, I am criticizing nationalistic elements in Turkey for not being open enough for it.
I am not sure you are right about "turks have been decreasing the number of other ethnicities constantly throughout centuries". Ottomans did not have strong nationalistic views until mid 1800. Then, racist ideas were rising at the time. They mainly conquered and got their taxes. They were not much into changing their religions or changing their nationalities.
If it was true, how come many nations emerged after Ottoman Empire?
But after after beginning of the last century, yes you are right on that..We forced them to leave from Turkey.. Mainly greeks though. And at some stages we exchanged people with Greece.
About mentioning usa and europe: I was not using america and europe as evils and trying to change the focus from ermenian question to western war crimes..
I was just trying to say the moral difficulty a person must be feeling if that person does not open his mouth for the war crimes, or supports them.







Thread: Armenians-Turks

7230.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:55 pm

I think we should make something clear here:
-We know that terrible things happened during that time.
-We know that many Turks and many many Armenians died.
-We know that Turkish Governments made mistakes by not opening its archives fully and not being open enough in the past.
But what we dont know that
Weather it should be called a genocide or not.
And it is the job for historians. Not for us. I think the subject should be discussed at the possible highest level and should be sorted out once and all.
Otherwise, the subject wont go away for us Turks. And Everybody will be talking about it with their limited historical knowledge. (one will say oh we have the document , your talat pasa -interior minister I think at the time- sent this order 'X', saying 'terminate them all'. Someone will say, but in this document, it says 'relocate them for their protection' . So it will go on and on. That is the reason, I think it is the best, if it is left for historians)

It happened nearly a century ago..Not everything is well documented as it is now(ie we know very well what is happening in Iraq for example, we all know how American daisy cutter bombs work, we know very well why Americans dropped those bombs in japan-though it was not necessary-, we know very well how many civilians got killed in Vietnam -mainly by the napalms- etc etc) .
There was not even a definition for genocide at the time when those things happened in 1915, if I am not wrong.

My conclusion on the subject is that we Turks should not be afraid of opening our archives fully and discussing it where ever possible. Compensation and giving the land is out of question because Turkish Republic was born in 1923.
And for my American friends, supporting what your government is doing now and what you have done in the past to the other nations is a no go from my part.
I dont think you should support your governments 'war crimes' and at the same time saying 'but 1915 was a genocide'.
I cant see the morality in it.




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