I don´t know what happened. I just edited my own message and corrected 7/11 as 9/11.

Yes, at least until some time ago we had 7/11 in Turkey. I remember the chain was owned by the husband of our former prime minister Tansu Çiller. They were like convenience stores that were open round the clock. So, when no stores were open you would drive to the nearest 7/11. I don´t see them anymore. Maybe they have gone bankrupt or something. Maybe other members know what happened to them.

What do you mean by race-bans? Do you imply we are a bunch of racists here? I am pretty sure this is your meaning. So, please remove that phrase or I will delete it myself.

Thehandsom, you are not helping out anything by opening these threads. If there is anyone benefiting from these persistent posts it must be you. You start the fire and play the victim thereafter. 

You know how sensitive people have become over the recent murders. No matter how much you would like to distort it, the truth is those who have lost their lives were the legitimate servicemen of a sovereign nation which has every right to hold on to its internationally recognized territory. We do not need to understand the motives of the terrorists, we do not need to focus on the reasons when the emergency dictates that the consequences be taken care of.  Every God damn country in the world have minorities. These people either emigrated from other countries or existed even before its current inhabitants. From Spain to Finland, from the US to India minorities exist with varying levels of contendness of the role they are playing in the host country. For example, in Finland, Lapps enjoy the right to speak and learn their own languages but the Finnish government is unable to find instructors for these people. The number of Lapps in Finland is about 4400. What a big problem? The affluence of the Lapps is also several folds lower than the average Finnish family. On the whole, they are not enjoying similar standards with the Finns. Finland is a European country, it may set an example to other countries in terms of social welfare, order of living etc. This affluent Scandinavian country has not been able to offer similar standards to some 4000 people. Alas, these people had long been living in Finland when the Finns came to Finland some 2000 years ago.

We are talking about a country of 72 million people. This country is located in a geography where civilizations meet. Unfortunately though, civilizations don´t usually meet merrily. Instead there have always been the threat of all-consuming wars to be fought on multiple fronts which makes life difficult for Turkey economically. 

The Kurdish minority is not a minority at all. In the East, they form the majority and they have  a hefty 15 million share in Turkey´s population (just an estimation). They live in the highlands which are practically inaccessible in the winter months. Turkey takes new initiatives, makes investments in the region. For many years, the entire Eastern provinces are considered first priority development areas and substantial tax incentives are offered by the government. Nevertheless, Turkish investers don´t want to invest in the East. Would you invest your money in some remote war-stricken, unstable corner? 

Turkey is going through a very sensitive period. Our citizens are being targeted by a terrorist organization. There is anger and frustration over this. Disorder and chaos are two major objectives of terror. Crowds probably manipulated by provocators fall into this trap and turn their anger into acts of civil disobedience. These are very sad developments and somewhat reminiscient of the aftermath of 9/11. On losing about 3000 people, some people in the US began a witch hunt declaring muslims as the enemy. This negative sentiment is still going strong today. It is in human nature to become hostile when subjected to terror and agression. This is also one of the major objectives of terror. They want you to distrust and disobey existing coercion. It is only through this way that terrorists can hope to realize their objectives.

OK now we are going into the political stances of those involved.

The guy who asked the truck driver to keep out from his district was a MHP guy. The existence of this person entitles the Kurd who was discriminated against to gather two more friends, arm themselves with knives and to organize an attack on the cafe stabbing five persons. Now this is your reasoning. You are not aware how inhuman this train of thought is.

You openly endorse murder if it is done for a cause. 

Isn´t it a bit peculiar? In the morning of July 26th, a three South Eastern citizens enter a cafe in Inegöl and stab 5 persons. They are arrested by the police and kept in custody. While this is happening about 1000 Inegöl residents gather in front of the police headquarters and demand those three who are kept in custody. The police refuses and opens fire to drive away the mob and the crowd take revenge by rolling over a police patrol car and burning 8 other cars one of which is owned by a judge.

Through the evening four terrorists steal a car in Hatay and open fire to a patrol car waiting in front of the police headquarters killing 4 police officers.

This is just a one day account of a string of incidents that suspiciously began in the recent months. Your verdict is the same and instantly served: "Turkish people are racists. They deserve being attacked by the terrorists because of the problems in their social order."

On conquering Sinop, Alexander the Great stands before Diogenes and asks what the great philosopher would want from him and Diogenes famously answers:

"Just don´t cast your shadow on me."

I am not a lawyer but a quick google search reveals a Turkish Penal Code Law Paragraph 318 entitled "Discouraging people to perform military service." You are a certain John Doe addressing people through Turkish Class. If a judge decides that a negative propoganda of the Turkish Military is being made through this site, site owners will have to bear the consequences. This might include imposing a legal ban on access to the site for Turkish users.

Do you remember why google was banned. It is not the only site, for example, thousands of sites operating under Geosites are also banned because somebody cursed Ataturk or the like.

Again I am not saying I support these laws but as long as they are in effect, we must observe them.

Thank you I have edited some posts including mine and removed personal attacks that came to my attention. It is users´ duty to edit their posts to remove such attacks. If it is too obvious or too disparaging to wait for user action, I may edit them instantly: e.g. swear words, unethical phrases etc.

Please advise me your complaints...

I will have to lock this thread if you continue posting messages:

* justifying terror

* declaring the Turkish Army incompetent (without going into speculation about whether it is right or wrong: this may constitute a crime in Turkey)

* personal attacks

* anti-Dutch, anti-Turkish, anti-Kurdish etc. sentiments.

* There are internationally accepted definitions of terror and terrorism. The way you describe terrorism is irresponsible and it is not backed by any established civilized norm of thinking. 

* There is a Kurdish problem in Turkey and this problem did not start in 20´s. There have always been Kurdish uprisals in Anatolia. Ottomans used various methods such as offering titles or money to the kingpins or sending them on exile if they lay hold of them.  The way you write about this matter one might think you are Kurdish uprisal guru but you don´t even know the Ottoman leg of this complicated subject.

* You call the Turkish Armed Forces incompetent. The Turkish Armed Forces are manned by the citizens of this country. They do not use chemical weapons nor do they nuke the terrorists. They fight with arms available to all militaries in the world. They are our sons, brothers, uncles or friends. They risk their lives to carry out the orders they have been given. Now these people have a strong character, they are not seeking solutions they are just intercepting attacks by terrorists on this country. We count on our army for the defense of this country. This is not unique to Turkey. Wherever you go, all the militaries in the world function like this. You would rave about the compulsory military service in Turkey. You know there are other options. You could flee from this country and vilify the regime in Turkey to get a British residence permit. Thousands of people did this, it is not something new. You might scorn this but it takes guts just show up at the recruiting office and be one among the thousand deployed onto the enemy.