Let me put it this way: there are just too many racists in disguise in the real world. The real world here refers to the true nature of the world. By this definition, I would say Europe -a place regarded by most as the center of civilization - is not as civilized as it appears to be.

The Alan Parsons Project have a song called The Real World. Somehow, your comments reminded me of that song, it goes like this and it applies to everything that happens in the real world: " So many times we stand and fight So many reasons can´t be right One more simple truth I´m not denying Too many lonely nights in the real world Too many fools who don´t think twice Too many ways to pay the price Don´t wanna live my life in the real world " Welcome to the real world, I keep saying, the words democracy, equality, fraternity and tolerance only exist in the dictionary and they have no place in the real world. People keep believing in Europe, Holland, Turkey, Italy and God knows what. (Even God here is a "void" symbol).

Barba, there are certainly somethings going on in the world and you know whom to hold responsible for them. In one occasion you asked me to remember that Israel and the Jewry are not synonymous and I accepted that despite I feel what you are saying is only technically correct.

I have enormous respect for the Jews for the wonderful things they have done but I also protest them for the evil things committed in their name and the body that represent them happens to be the Israeli government.

I have nothing against you. You have my love and my respect as a person but I do listen to speeches made by the Israeli government and I find them overly patriotic if not racist at times.

Check out the seed, GDO and Israel link, all the Internet is at your disposal. If you learn about the game Israel plays in this, I expect you to condemn it as much as I do.

I am not seeking to flame you. If you wish we could carry this to the PM´s and stop being offtopic.

What can be said to someone who enjoys his chicken meat or pork? If you like it and if it is OK for you  then just eat it. I don´t eat lamb or pork nor do I eat say rabbit meat. I enjoy eating the kind of food my mother cooked me in childhood. She was a Muslim woman and I had no chance to get used to eating pork. I don´t feel I am losing anything, you substitute one food with another.

True there are economic consequences, if we Turks ate pork, we could use this abundant and economic food and probably there would be fewer hungry people. Alas we don´t like it regardless of what we believe in. I have no problem eating it occasionally in a friends house but I would never buy it since I said I am not dying for it.

As for chickens, I suppose you are not expecting them to follow the same rules of hygiene as we humans do. Chicken meat has been consumend for thousands of years and it doesn´t do much harm at all. (Though I don´t prefer chicken all that much either).

Vegetables grow on animal carcasses and most of them are either GDO or hormone treated (thanks Israel for destroying natural seeds), meat from domestic animals is full of antibiotics and other drugs and the meat is further treated with preservatives to extend its shelf life. These are the natural results of having to live in an overly polluted world.

Meanwhile, thanks Lucy Lawless for risking her freedom while trying to stop shell from launching oil platforms in the North Pole.

Did you know that before technology in today´s sense existed many people devoted all their time to word counting, word scrambling, fortune telling based on the count of words. Check out the garments of Sultan Veled (Rumi´s son), you´ll see he even decorated his clothes with words which he counted, organized and used for soothsaying. There is no magic or hidden power in this it is just a weird occupation virtually abandoned today.

Symmetry you are telling about might be a product of these efforts. I know you will say Quran has never changed; but no one believes his or her religion has changed either. 

Muslims see the word Allah inscripted in watermelons, Kemalists see Atatürk in clouds and Christians believe in weeping Virgin Mary sculptures. If you want to see or believe in something you can quite easily. 

What I am really questioning is what one´s belief adds to him as a person. I don´t see much, the world is still full of deceit, brutality and opportunitism. I see people don´t want to get burned in hell or expect a bounty if they don´t believe in something just in case there is the prospect of after life.

Here is the sad truth, we humans are not timeless creatures, we don´t have Godly qualities either. We are as insignificant as microbes. Living means dying and disappearing. All that you will ever see is confined to the days you will spend on this Earth. When your day comes you will die and your further existence will be isolated from "you" which will linger on  in other people´s minds for a while and eventually disappear completely.

It takes some ego to assume that man can be awarded a form of infinite existence in spite of the fact that the entire process takes place before everyone´s eyes. You are not going anywhere, you just decompose and mix with the soil.  

Ever considered religion mostly a cultural thing? For example, As a Turkish non-believer whatever cooks in the Islamo-Turkish cauldron has passed on to me too. As a result, there is still a big difference between me and say a Dutch non-believer. Our minds shaped up in these pools. We both climbed different hills and met different obstacles. I believe, most people are not aware that they are Christians or Muslims just on paper. They just blend in this cultural soup that is beginning to tolerate a greater variety of different flavours.

I believe, one could find just a few true believers by Jesus or Muhammad´s standards in the entire world´s population. Majority of people just belong to a religious culture and nothing more.

By the same reasoning, only Jews hate Hitler. The people Yavuz killed were people like me and you. That is a very big problem in Turkey; if the victim is a Kurd or and Alevi, people say they were only Alevites anyway. We must hate this person for the blood he shed no matter whose.

True every sultan, king or czar shed blood. We must consider things without forgetting the time reference but even by this definition, there are monsters that history has recorded. I have no love or respect for them. They are kind of responsible for the conflicts that are still claiming thousands of lives each year.

Shah Ismail was a Turk and shared the same culture with the most of the Anatolian population of the day. Ottomans turned their back to Anatolia, disdaining Turks. The palace had set their minds to Mecca and were making plans to spread the Sunnite belief and placing themselves as the center of the Islamic world. The Alevites were an obstacle and therefore expendable. We still see this today. Most Sunnite (so-called) scholars consider Alevites as some sort of perverts. Stories are made up and spreaded among Sunnites despising Alevites and their belief.

Shah Ismail was a renown poet and a humanist thinker (let´s remember the time reference again). He wrote under the nome de plume Khatai (Hatayi) meaning: one that errs.

Because many of Turkey´s current minority and religion related problems can be traced back to him. He is regarded very highly by conservative Sunnites and hated by everyone else. To some, he was the Stalin or Hitler of his time. He sowed the seeds of hatred in Anatolia mass murdering tens of thousands of people.

This is not something unilateral Barba, Kurds often act as a community or a tribe and they tend to monopolize where they are doing business. Wherever there is a Kurdish community in charge of something, there is no room for Turks. You may think this would be a generalization but your example is no different. Truth be told, these two communities hate each other. Turks consider Kurds as a boil on their heads. There is no way out for either community. Maybe, the Kurds are waiting for the day when the US offers them a portion of Turkey on a golden plate. Just as they did in Iraq.