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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 01:50 am |
A man is not allowed to breastfeed from a woman, it's solely for babies. Where did you get that from?
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 01:55 am |
Quoting azade: Femme - the author has made some mistakes which breaks down the point. It is excellently writted though and she do have some points that I agree to as well
But the major flaws, which makes a large part of the article invalid are:
Regarding to the woman offering herself sexually for the man, the same applies to the man. It's not something that's specifically for the woman.
When it comes to beating, the man is allowed to beating her with a miswak (a toothbrush ) if they can't settle matters.
And muslim women are not segregated from public life.
When she's talking of Iran, I agree though - that's a scary place imho.
Islam was the first to acklowledge women rights. When islam saw light, women's lives changed for the better.
What kind of women would want to be muslim if it was bad? |
dear azade what mean your words(acklowledge), i didnt get it
and When islam saw light, women's lives changed for the better.
((What kind of women would want to be muslim if it was bad))
I recommend you read good about Islam and then write what you want pleas
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 02:02 am |
Quoting elham:
dear azade what mean your words(acklowledge), i didnt get it
and When islam saw light, women's lives changed for the better.
((What kind of women would want to be muslim if it was bad))
I recommend you read good about Islam and then write what you want pleas |
Acknowledge means to "accept as legally binding and valid" or "declare to be true or admit the existence or reality or truth of".
What I mean is that in arabia, before the existance of islam, women had very bad lives, but when islam came, they were given some rights that they didn't have before, and that women in eg. Europe also did not have at that time. Is it more clear? Sorry, it's getting late here maybe I wrote it fuzzy before.
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 02:04 am |
Quoting azade: A man is not allowed to breastfeed from a woman, it's solely for babies. Where did you get that from? |
a strange question. you thought i make up stories?
a fragment from "kitab al hudud"
Book 008, Number 3426:
Ibn Abu Mulaika reported that al-Qasim b. Muhammad b. Abu Bakr had narrated to him that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail b. 'Amr came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, Salim (the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa) is living with us in our house, and he has attained (puberty) as men attain it and has acquired knowledge (of the sex problems) as men acquire, whereupon he said: Suckle him so that he may become unlawful (in regard to marriage) for you He (Ibn Abu Mulaika) said: I refrained from (narrating this hadith) for a year or so on account of fear. I then met al-Qasim and said to him: You narrated to me a hadith which I did not narrate (to anyone) afterwards. He said: What is that? I informed him, whereupon he said: Narrate it on my authority that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) had narrated that to me.
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 02:04 am |
I have been reading these posts with interest. I am not turkish, a muslim, or a woman, but here are my 2 pennies anyway.
I do think it is a shame that women can't wear a head scarf in schools and university. On a personal level I would not mind one bit if my fellow class mates wore a head scarf, or indeed if my teacher wore a head scarf. I do understand why they are banned though. One question, are other religious symbols banned (such as wearing a christian cross on a necklace)?
I'm not convinced allowing the headscarf will lead to stoning. I think this is quite an exaggeration to say the least.
From my understanding it was open for interpretation whether a muslim should cover their heads or not, though a covered head is required for prayer? I am sure this was once true in Christianity?
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07 Jun 2007 Thu 02:17 am |
headscarves protect and liberate women and send straight to hell-fire:
Trapped Saudi girls left to burn by law on dress
TAREK AL-ISSAWI In DUBAI
FOURTEEN girls died in a dormitory fire at a Saudi Arabian school because religious police would not let male firefighters rescue them in case they were not covered from head to toe in traditional robes.
Fifty other girls were injured as the religious police prevented them from fleeing the building during the blaze at the 31st Girls Middle School in Mecca on 11 March.
Government-controlled newspapers accused members of the religious police - the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice - of blocking rescue attempts because some of the girls would not have been wearing the mandatory Islamic dress, which covers the entire body and hair.
"They forced the girls to remain inside the school and didn’t allow them to leave, saying that their hair wasn’t covered and they weren’t wearing the abaya [long robe]," the al-Eqtisadiah newspaper quoted a number of firefighters and police as saying.
Firefighters, police and medical crews said they were kept from going inside the school as well for the same reason.
"We tried to convince them that the situation was very serious but they just screamed at us and refused to move away from the gate," the officers told the newspaper.
According to the reports, most of the victims either suffocated, fell from the windows of the four-storey building or were trampled to death.
The head of Mecca’s police, Brigadier Mohammed al-Harthy, said yesterday that he had arrived at the scene to find a member of the religious police "trying to interfere". "He was fighting with a police officer, trying to prevent him from entering the school," Brig al-Harthy said. "I instructed him to leave and he did."
The fire has led to a domestic debate and an international outcry, with Amnesty International demanding a public investigation. Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Abdullah has vowed that "negligent, incompetent and careless" officials would be punished.
According to the daily Arab News, parents of the victims said they were considering taking legal action against officials.
The director of the committee, Sheik Jaber al-Hakmi, denied his people had prevented rescuers from entering the school. However, the powerful religious police have come under unprecedented public criticism over the incident. The committee, which has offices in every city, is criticised in private, but this is believed to be the first time that newspapers have come out against it.
The committee has powers to arrest, investigate and mete out summary punishments or refer to the courts individuals suspected of violating religious or moral precepts. Women failing to cover themselves have suffered on-the-spot beatings.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=298862002
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