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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:07 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: It's also in the new testament...Matthew 15:4.
There are also other examples but I cna't remember them.
Speaking of stoning:
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. ... Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) |
does it somehow relate to the hidjab?  |
Exactly my thought, but you were the one that brought up the subject of stoning ( if you wish to resort to that) And how do the other things you posted relate to the hijab?
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:10 pm |
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aysenur,
excuse me?
you definitely dont respect secularism!
and my friends who are atheists who live in egypt however do see not only disrespect but live in fear.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:13 pm |
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azade
im reapeating: it starts from hidjab ends with stoning. thats defeinite! heres is the relation!
and whats the your connection?
why when i come up against islam, why do you criticise all ther other religions? does it have logic reason?
seems like no christianity and no atheism or any other thing has nothing to do with hidjab.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:17 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: aysenur,
excuse me?
you definitely dont respect secularism!
and my friends who are atheists who live in egypt however do see not only disrespect but live in fear.
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Allah cok sukkur I fear Allah not any human on this life.
Secularism will not save anyone from the hell.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:22 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: azade
im reapeating: it starts from hidjab ends with stoning. thats defeinite! heres is the relation!
and whats the your connection?
why when i come up against islam, why do you criticise all ther other religions? does it have logic reason?
seems like no christianity and no atheism or any other thing has nothing to do with hidjab. |
Originally christians covered themselves as well (like nuns do now), the difference is that muslims didn't drop it. So the hijab is not even an islamic thing hence theoretically you should have a problem with that religion as well. I don't know if you do and it's not really important on the matter of islam specifically, as you said though.
I don't know any muslims at all who would ever want to have stoning allowed by law in a secular state. It's beyond my mind how you can you make that connection, it's two so different things. Repeating it doesn't make it a true statement.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:25 pm |
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Quoting Aysenur:
Allah cok sukkur I fear Allah not any human on this life.
Secularism will not save anyone from the hell. |
here you are! highly educated from islamic paradise!
your prophet says neither you going to avoid the hell, why? cos you're woman!
im afraid you dont only know other religions but also your own religion.
you gave torah and old testament as separate alternatives, but you (poor you) didnt know that old testament includes torah, thus they are one. you're just like your prophet who didnt see the difference between two miriams: miriam the sister of musa and miriam the mother of isa.
learn, learn and learn said great Lenin (pbuh).
learn aysenur, learn. and dont go to hell.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:25 pm |
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I think that the topic is just about to get out of control.
Another topic can be opened if you want to discuss religions.
To me the topic is sth like :
Does the state (society) has the right to ban religious/political signs/practices?
Note : Several posters mentioned the high percentage of muslims in the society (99.8%). But even not half of Turkish women are covering their head. So any suggestion that Turks that are supporting the ban of "türban" are somewhat alienated to their own culture simply does not coincide with Turkey, its culture and its people. And the percentage is not related to modernisation only. E.g. 20% of Turkish population are Alewites, who are not practicing most of the Sunni Islam teachings. Also there is an important percent of "Immigrants" who migrated from Balkans, also who are not very religious.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:25 pm |
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Quoting Aysenur: Religions in Turkey :
ISLAM : 99.8% (mostly sunni)
Other : 00.2% (mostly christians and jews)
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Just for the record I would like to point out that these figures are 'incorrect'. Within the 99.8 procent there must be a large percentage of people who arent muslim at all, only the official records say so. Kadirs whole family for example, their passports say they are muslim, but none of them is religious at all. I know some more families like that in both Ankara and İzmir, and I bet they are not the only one.
However I wont contradict that the big majority of Turkey is muslim, just wanted to point this out out of experience Ive had here so far.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:29 pm |
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azade
im telling you again: if you allow hidjab, tomorrow you'll allow stoning. it sneaks together with hidjab.
thats why a great leader of turks (hated by arab world) banned the veils. so that the stone age customs wouldnt be practiced.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:31 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Aysenur:
Allah cok sukkur I fear Allah not any human on this life.
Secularism will not save anyone from the hell. |
here you are! highly educated from islamic paradise!
your prophet says neither you going to avoid the hell, why? cos you're woman!
im afraid you dont only know other religions but also your own religion.
you gave torah and old testament as separate alternatives, but you (poor you) didnt know that old testament includes torah, thus they are one. you're just like your prophet who didnt see the difference between two miriams: miriam the sister of musa and miriam the mother of isa.
learn, learn and learn said great Lenin (pbuh).
learn aysenur, learn. and dont go to hell.
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Insha allah I will be among the people of jannah but in my religion (islam) nobody knows except allah... I suggest you to never attack my prophet (saw) again because it is a big sin. I am not Allah to know who is good who is not... I am a simple human like you. I do not try to teach anything to anyone... I am not a teacher.
I suggest you to stop.
Thank you
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:37 pm |
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aysenur
i suggest you not to attack the secular state of turkey!
the religion is the opium of the people, said karl marx (pbuh).
you're plain muslimah brainwashed by islamists.
shame you dont know your religion good enough.
i hope it was a good lesson for you for the future not to start such insulting thread.
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