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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:22 pm |
azade
im saying that if a secular state allows hidjab soon it will stop being secular. thus stoning will be allowed easily.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:25 pm |
Quoting Deli_kizin: One can have a beautifully pure and caring heart, and not wear a headscarf, one can have very bad thoughts and intentiosn when dealing with other people but still wear a headscarf.
Do the people who think wearing a headscarf is a MUST for God, really think that the God who they belief created such a magnificent thing as life, cannot see what is more important?
Let's say that there is such a rule, do muslims really think that their God will send a bad-hearted scarved woman to heaven and a woman who spend her life taking care of others, doing charity but without a head-scarf to hell? |
No this is not how it works...
First of all wearing scarf doesn't mean that you go to the paradise... It doesn't mean too that you go to hell.
The scarf is an order.If you don"t do that you disobey to Allah. There is only Allah who know who is good or not. He knows what people hide in their deep heart...
But there is something Allah is just. He will not punish someone for something he did not know. Allah is the merciful, the most merciful. There is always a place to repent to Allah.
Don"t believe what you see or hear at tv... Most of the time this is not just.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:28 pm |
Quoting MrX67: so to respect all beliefs best fix unless doesn't give any harm to social peace... |
I deffinately agree with that.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:29 pm |
Quoting leander: Quoting azade: ....they will think of it like this - do I want to educate myself and work while I'm in this dünya or do I want to go to cennet forever?
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This is exactly how fundemental islamists brainwash women.
Why would anyone not enter heaven if she doesn't wear a headscarf? Its not even written anywhere in Quran that one should wear one.Many islamic schoolars say that wearing hidgab is not a must. |
It's not a fundamentalist opinion. If one doesn't believe in the religion (practice it) then they're atheist. Being cultural religious is one of the most unlogical things ever - either one believes or not.
You are right that there's no mentioning of a hijab exactly, but ayahs in the Qur'an say that they should draw their veils over their bosoms. In the time when the Qur'an was written everyone naturally had headwear so the interpretation is the hijab.
I don't know much about scholars at all so if you could state which ones say that the hijab is not required that would be great.
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Only God knows who will go to heaven who won't. |
I agree with you
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:34 pm |
Quoting femme_fatal: azade
im saying that if a secular state allows hidjab soon it will stop being secular. thus stoning will be allowed easily.
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Did you read post 153?
In addition: The hijab is allowed in MANY western countries and it's not opposing any kind of threat to secularism there.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:35 pm |
Quoting leander: Quoting MrX67: so to respect all beliefs best fix unless doesn't give any harm to social peace... |
I deffinately agree with that. |
I do too.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:38 pm |
I think relating stoning directly with Islam is a bit absurd here because in Quran there's not a verse about stoning as far as I know. On the contrary as it's been shown here in the old testament it exists. Could you show the related verse in Quran?
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:39 pm |
Quoting azade:
It's not a fundamentalist opinion. If one doesn't believe in the religion (practice it) then they're atheist.
Being cultural religious is one of the most unlogical things ever - either one believes or not.
You are right that there's no mentioning of a hijab exactly, but ayahs in the Qur'an say that they should draw their veils over their bosoms. In the time when the Qur'an was written everyone naturally had headwear so the interpretation is the hijab.
I don't know much about scholars at all so if you could state which ones say that the hijab is not required that would be great.
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What does not wearing hidgab anything to do with being an atheist?requirements for being a muslim are clear and wearing a hidgab is deffinately not one of them.Whats a practising muslim?One must do everything what some people who declare themselves hodga says?My source is Quran.
I don't understad this interpretation of bossom at all and i dont care about arab trditions at that time.There are many scholars that interpret that ayet differently and dont think that it indicates hidgab.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:45 pm |
The key question hasnt been answered by anyone with facts and quoted verses from teh Quran. I am currently reading it, but have only been able to read a few pages because its difficult language.
Anyway. Is a headscarf obliged in the islam? Because if its not as many say, the title of this thread is far from true (which I think it is anyway).
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:57 pm |
The vast majority of scholars say the hijab is mandatory, but there some who don't (maybe sufis but I don't know actually). Since the very beginning of islam Qur'an-i kerim, hadiths and the schools of fiqh has interpreted it so that women should wear it.
Sorry this is quite long...
"Ali ibn Abi Talib said:"Fatimah and I came to the Prophet (PBUH) for a visit and we found him weeping bitterly. I said to him:'May my father and mother be ransomed for you, O Messenger of Allah! What makes you weep?' He replied,' O Ali, during my night journey to the Heavens, I saw of my Ummah being punished in various ways, and I am weeping at the severity of their punishment. I saw a woman hanging by her hair and her brain boiling; another woman was hanging by her tongue and hot liquid was being poured down her throat; another woman's feet clung to her breasts and her hands to her forehead, and snakes and scorpions were stinging her; another one was hanging by her breasts; another woman, whose head was that of a pig and whose body was that of a donkey, was being punished in a thousand different ways; and another woman was in the form of a dog, and fire was going into her mouth and coming out of her anus, and the angels were hitting her head with hammers of fire.' Fatimah stood up and said:'O my dear father, what were the deeds of these women for which they suffer such punishment?' He replied:'O my dear daughter, as for the one who was hanging by her hair, she did not cover her hair in front of men; the one who was hanging by her tongue used to annoy her husband; the one hanging by her breast used to defile her husband's bed (i.e. commit adultery); the one whose feet were tied to her breasts and her hands to her forehead, and snakes and scorpions were stinging her, did not wash herself (make ghusl) after sexual intercourse or finishing menstruation, and she made fun of prayer and the one with the pig's head and a donkey's body used to carry around slanderous tales; and the one in the form of a dog, with fire going into her mouth and coming out of her anus, used to be envious and to recount her favors to others.""
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:58 pm |
Quoting azade: Quoting femme_fatal: azade
im saying that if a secular state allows hidjab soon it will stop being secular. thus stoning will be allowed easily.
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Did you read post 153?
In addition: The hijab is allowed in MANY western countries and it's not opposing any kind of threat to secularism there. |
theres a difference between western countries and turkey. hidjab cannot threat the western women. is your mind so twisted that you cant see the difference? many turks know and fear of the religous consequences of allowing the headscarf, its not a threat to the west but a threat to turkey (and many other central asian countries where women enjoy being free from the religious compulsory customs. im afraid not long they will be happy since, rich islamic states have fundng to build thousands of mosques. note, that they never fund education, hospital and any other spheres like arts or science).
post 153? no, i am not sure if i had read it till the end. im gonna read it.
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