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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:37 pm |
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aysenur
i suggest you not to attack the secular state of turkey!
the religion is the opium of the people, said karl marx (pbuh).
you're plain muslimah brainwashed by islamists.
shame you dont know your religion good enough.
i hope it was a good lesson for you for the future not to start such insulting thread.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:42 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: aysenur
i suggest you not to attack the secular state of turkey!
the religion is the opium of the people, said karl marx (pbuh).
you're plain muslimah brainwashed by islamists.
shame you dont know your religion good enough.
i hope it was a good lesson for you for the future not to start such insulting thread. |
Allah cok sukkur I am muslim but you are right I still do not know enough about my religion same if I read night and day for the rest of my life.
Insha allah I will learn more.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:44 pm |
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Quoting Aysenur: I will learn more.
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there, there! that sounds better!
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:07 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: azade
im telling you again: if you allow hidjab, tomorrow you'll allow stoning. it sneaks together with hidjab.
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That's incorrect. I stated earlier on that the hijab has something to do with personal freedom and stoning is a form of capital punishment - two very different things. Then I said that muslims don't want to make stoning allowed in secular countries.
Would you care to elaborate on your opinion? Have you considdered what ordinary muslims think about this? Yani when someone wants the freedom to wear the hijab AND get an education and work, it means that they also wish to take part in the secular society they live in and be allowed to wear what they want. Surely this kind of people, the people who are saddened by the prohibition of the hijab, don't want stoning in a secular society.
I checked the excerpt you posted about women going to hell and it means that women who resort to those things mentioned will go there, it doesn't apply to all women. From a strategic pow, it would logically be really stupid to state that all women are going to hell (in the making of a religion).
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:07 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Doesn't America's constitution also believe in seperation of religion and state? Keep religion out of public schools. And hardly the same issue as what is going on in Turkey by the way... |
Unfortunately, for many decades, our school system has been an exemplar of Ethno-politics, where religion because an extension of the Ethnicity of the Principal.
The term "seperation of Church and State" does not find itself in the Constitution, but in a letter by Thomas Jefferson.Some form of it can be reasonably inferred--but it must equally endorse both pillars of "free excercise" and "respect no establishment".
Would a nativity scene constitute an "establishment by State or Federal goverenment of religion" --or would a prohibition aganst its voluntary display constitue an infringement of "the free exercise" thereof?
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:11 pm |
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Quoting azade: ....they will think of it like this - do I want to educate myself and work while I'm in this dünya or do I want to go to cennet forever?
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This is exactly how fundemental islamists brainwash women.
Why would anyone not enter heaven if she doesn't wear a headscarf? Its not even written anywhere in Quran that one should wear one.Many islamic schoolars say that wearing hidgab is not a must.
Only God knows who will go to heaven who won't.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:15 pm |
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thats really odd to discussion on a very relative topic like beliefs,and i have never seen any discussion about that which ended with agreement,look likes to ''havanda su döğmek''  so to respect all beliefs best fix unless doesn't give any harm to social peace...
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:16 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
Just for the record I would like to point out that these figures are 'incorrect'. Within the 99.8 procent there must be a large percentage of people who arent muslim at all, only the official records say so. Kadirs whole family for example, their passports say they are muslim, but none of them is religious at all. I know some more families like that in both Ankara and İzmir, and I bet they are not the only one.
However I wont contradict that the big majority of Turkey is muslim, just wanted to point this out out of experience Ive had here so far. |
Yes, you're right about it. I think they have just made a decision (or they are about to make) to remove this religion section on the identies which is a shame for a secular state. No one has asked me or my sister or my father while writing Islam on our identities and both my sister and my father are deists. I think it comes from the ottoman time because there were taxes for the non muslims.
And one more funny thing about my identity card, I don't know if it was done by mistake but on my previous identity card it was written "virgin". It must have been written "unmarried". The turkish words for these are "bakire" and "bekar", they are a bit similar, so I hope it was a mistake although I don't think.
Anyway, I think from now on we are more careful about these identity cards because the old ones are not appropriate for our republic.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:16 pm |
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One can have a beautifully pure and caring heart, and not wear a headscarf, one can have very bad thoughts and intentiosn when dealing with other people but still wear a headscarf.
Do the people who think wearing a headscarf is a MUST for God, really think that the God who they belief created such a magnificent thing as life, cannot see what is more important?
Let's say that there is such a rule, do muslims really think that their God will send a bad-hearted scarved woman to heaven and a woman who spend her life taking care of others, doing charity but without a head-scarf to hell?
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:22 pm |
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Quoting mltm:
Yes, you're right about it. I think they have just made a decision (or they are about to make) to remove this religion section on the identies which is a shame for a secular state. No one has asked me or my sister or my father while writing Islam on our identities and both my sister and my father are deists. I think it comes from the ottoman time because there were taxes for the non muslims.
And one more funny thing about my identity card, I don't know if it was done by mistake but on my previous identity card it was written "virgin". It must have been written "unmarried". The turkish words for these are "bakire" and "bekar", they are a bit similar, so I hope it was a mistake although I don't think.
Anyway, I think from now on we are more careful about these identity cards because the old ones are not appropriate for our republic. |
Yes Kadir said the same, no one is asked. You can change it later, but I heard many people keep it, just in case (if you apply for a job and your boss turns out to be a muslim, you might have more chance etc. It is discrimination but nearly inevitable).
And that unmarried thing is really strange :-S
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:22 pm |
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azade
im saying that if a secular state allows hidjab soon it will stop being secular. thus stoning will be allowed easily.
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