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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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120.       MrX67
2540 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:03 pm

Quoting vineyards:

Religion...
What did it ever help in this country or anywhere else?

Didn't Yavuz Sultan Selim kill thousands of Alevites because they believed in a different sect. Sectarian differences were the fundemental reasons of wars between Ottomans and Persians. Popes in Vatican sent troops consisting of anything from teenagers to pillagers who killed hundreds of thousands of innocent poeple again the reason was religion. The name of one of the popes I recall was innocent too. Who was innocent was a matter of discussion though.

Jesus did not have an army nor did he wish to have one but Europeans did not hesitate to shed blood in his name and to pillage the temples that had been built in his name.

Who were the riots that killed sultans and terrorized the empire? Were they not yelling, "We are losing our religion!" Didn't they kill in the name of God?

Only a short while ago the fathers and mothers of the Islamic fundamentalists of today were quite indifferent to the young people who were dieing in the streets at the hands of fascists as they were protesting thought crime, lack of freedom of speech, torture and oppression. None of the Islamists were moving a finger in those days. Now they are demanding freedom for headscarves. They may be right or wrong but they do not have my support. I will not move a finger either.

well,history and today full with religion,beleif and sect wars and fights,thats really interesting and i think that all about beleif freedom problem since deep of history till today,and in modern societies the basic human rights have to keepen with constitutional guaranties with a strong social agreement..

121.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:18 pm

The question is not whether or not to allow the politically oriented head scarfs into the university.

The question is how to melt the head scarved graduates into the civil state, after their graduation.

How many of the non moslem or secular citizens of Turkey can be indifferent to or at ease with facing a head scarved lady judge at the bench, if they had to face her judgement with a head scarved defendant (opposing rival)?

ONE SOLUTION MAY BE TO GIVE UP THE CIVIL SECULAR STATE ALTOGETHER. iS THAT WHAT WE ARE AFTER?

122.       azade
1606 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:30 pm

Are you saying judges with hijab are not objective?

123.       MrX67
2540 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:31 pm

is this queation no valid for who doesn't wear scarf,if the her/his aim not to deal justice???

124.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:43 pm

Azade,
How would I know?
I certainly would feel unconfortable...

125.       azade
1606 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:55 pm

How so?

As a judge of course she would have to be objective in all cases, but what's more important - as a person, she would not have any interestin doing injustice.

126.       KeithL
1455 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:26 pm

Quoting MrX67:

seems thats a big problem and worth to discussion till the end for you Keith?????theres a saying in Turkish,''Millet gitti aya,biz kaldık yaya''....



Turkey is not only walking, it is running. It has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Instaed of complaining at the bus stop, get on the bus and move forward with the rest of us.

127.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:57 pm

allow today a headscarf, hidjab, tomorrow they'll demand a burka, and after this they will want to hang or stone raped girls and then goodbye turkey of ataturk and welcome taliban regime.
allow today a head cover tomorrow you will have this:
EGYPT: FATWA ALLOWS "BREASTFEEDING COLLEAGUES"
(ANSAmed) - CAIRO, MAY 21 - The only way to remain in private with a female colleague in the workplace is to let her breastfeed you, according to a fatwa (Egyptian religious decree) of two theologists from al-Azhar which has sparked scandals and polemics in the Egyptian media over the past days. The Islam bans a person from being in private in one and the same room with a person from the opposite sex - unless they are married or have close relations (parents and children, brothers and sisters, and so forth). The fatwa in question was issued recently by Izat Atiyah and Abd el-Mahdi Abd el-Kader, professors at the Cairo-based al-Azhar University, the world's most important centre of Sunni theology. According to them, a woman can lift her veil and remain in private with a male colleague at their workplace only if she had breastfed him five times already. "Entering a public office you should not be surprised if you one day happen upon a 50-year-old employee who is sucking milk from his colleague," ridiculed the al-Distur independent newspaper. A theologian from al-Azhar judged as "senseless" the discussion of a topic of the kind. "If the al-Azhar Mufti himself said such things, he would be a non-respected person and would be considered crazy," theologian Malika Yussef said, quoted by the independent daily al-Karama. Another al-Azhar theologian, Mabruk Attia, believes that the fatwa in question is a wrong interpretation of a "particular case" from the times of Prophet Mohammed. The latter is believed to have advised a woman to milk her adopted son, already grown up, in order to become his milk mother, after adoption was banned by the Islam. The woman gave him her milk to drink from a container, and not via direct breast feeding.

its not so innocent as it seems... always look beyond and check the past!

128.       azade
1606 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 09:12 pm

Wearing hijab and such things as stoning are so far from eachother. The matter of hijab is simply a question of (lack of) personal freedom, stoning etc. is a matter of the law, and which of course never will be allowed in a secular country like Turkey. The fatwa above is just absurd.

What do you (plural, general speaking) care what people are wearing? By banning garments like the hijab, many women are "forced" not to get a proper education/job etc. because they will think of it like this - do I want to educate myself and work while I'm in this dünya or do I want to go to cennet forever?
A woman wearing a regular hijab is capable of doing the same jobs as a woman without.

129.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 09:25 pm

Quoting azade:

Wearing hijab and such things as stoning are so far from eachother. The matter of hijab is simply a question of (lack of) personal freedom, stoning etc. is a matter of the law, and which of course never will be allowed in a secular country like Turkey. The fatwa above is just absurd.

What do you (plural, general speaking) care what people are wearing? By banning garments like the hijab, many women are "forced" not to get a proper education/job etc. because they will think of it like this - do I want to educate myself and work while I'm in this dünya or do I want to go to cennet forever?
A woman wearing a regular hijab is capable of doing the same jobs as a woman without.


as i have stated it already, it simply starts from so called "innocent" hidjab.
didnt you know ? you're anyway not going to heaven at all. why? search your religion. or havent you learnt it enough? looks like not many women are going to reside in heaven:
Volume 2, Book 24, Number 541:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray."

130.       azade
1606 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 09:31 pm

What's the context?

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