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Selamlar sana olsun Atam
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 07:33 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Now, I wonder if you respect MY thoughts Ceyhan?  |
Good question! Wonder if you get an answer.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 10:12 am |
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Quoting Badiabdancer74: I know people say it is the woman's choice but if your and your husbands family think you are "a woman of loose moral values" if you don't...what choice do you really have? With all the horrible things going on in the world...this seems like a minor issue. |
Grrrrrrrrr 
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 10:58 am |
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Quoting kat007: Actually that's a good point. I guess all those bad muslim men in istanbul can find those girls that aren't covered up as wives. The religious and strict muslim men can get all the covered up ones. Sounds fair.  |
Sounds entirely fair, but unfortunately it doesn't happen. Most of those "liberal" muslims will, of course, seek a wife who covers herself too
The "sons" of Sultan Fatih should look to their own behaviour before criticising women.
If the first post was REALLY about being a good muslim, then it would have mentioned the numerous male muslims in Turkey who drink, smoke, dont go to mosque etc. This thread is just about men ensuring that their women cover up themselves so that other men wont look at their girlfriends/wives. Its about jealousy, ownership and male insecurity...
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 11:05 am |
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i think have to make cool comments about religions and beliefs for don't hurt to all who doesn't think same with us.and i think have to make new comments about covering,and have to decide well if the body or soul the main object of covering??and i think secularism is the best fix to creat a nice harmony between belief diversities,with the rules and strong and willing tolerance...always nice to try understanding diversities then to blame others with to be different...
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 11:51 am |
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I think that if a person wants to cover up, they should be allowed to do so. But in all my experience here and abroad, it is those covering up that do not respect other ways of life. I have found that there are millions of lovely open-minded Turks, male and female, who strongly believe in the freedom of choice. But the overwhelming majority of covered up people say they believe in freedom, so long as it is there view of freedom.
As you say AEgnima, why is it in this area of the world, that women are always the focus of the blame ? Walk into any street here and see the 'sons' glaring at women, smoking, drinking, using bad language, but of course, it is fine for them because they are MEN !!!!
No woman (or man) EVER deserves to be punished for falling in love, desiring to wear a pair of jeans or anything else.
ANYWAY - I THOUGHT RELIGIOUS TALK ON THIS SITE WAS [U]BANNED][/B] :-S
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 11:51 am |
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I am daughter of Fatih, also M. Kemal Atatürk. I am pretty sure that if Fatih lived 500 years later, he would be more open minded than you. Do you believe haşemas are more accetable? They look like astranouts in that suits. Why judge a life style and still try to live like that style? Answer your dilemmas first,leküm diniküm veliyedin!(your beliefs are yours, my beliefs are mine)
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 11:58 am |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting Trudy: Quoting Elisabeth: I am just curious, so don't get upset when I ask this...Is is really written in the Quran that woman need to cover themselves? or is it a cultural tradition?  |
Sura 24, verse 31. I don't have an English translation here, but maybe you have a Qu'ran yourself or can find it on the net? |
My husband has one, but it is not in English. I will have to ask him later. I don't know why I never thought to ask him before. I will quiz him at dinner!! Thanks for the info... |
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/024.qmt.html |
It says cover your treasures. Mostly means where you put jewelery. never says cover yourselves in black blankets or fashionable tight silk covers(which makes you look sexier) Cover your breasts thats it. |
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 12:02 pm |
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Quoting Ceyhan79: In my previous posting I mentioned my point by starting "This is a criticism"...
You guys all showed how tolerant you are to a criticism. In that posting to convey my message I never used "must" but instead I used "should".
You guys showed how respectful you are to the thoughts of the others...
Well, as a matter of fact this is the common answer human gives against any advise which will help them on the way of the truth..
If you know the stories of prophets, you will remember that all those prophets came with criticism to the beliefs of the people and they were answered intolerantly and some of them were tortured since the people thought if they do not torture them they will change their life style in the way of light...
Well, some intolerant seculars do the same thing to the muslims and they do the same thing to me here too..
I just mentioned my point if you like you accept if not go with your way untill you see the truth.."There is no compulsion in religion" as Allah says in Quran.
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thanks Ceyhan
You are more luck here
Because you raised this subject, did not see any attack by others as they did previously with Ayse Nur in her thread
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_7_17899
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 12:52 pm |
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Elham dont use this as an excuse to demonstrate intolerance to headscarfs. This is about hyprocracy.
Do you think its fair to criticise women in Istanbul and say they are bad muslims because they don't cover themselves, but fail to mention the men who drink, smoke, dont go to mosque etc?
Is that fair?
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 01:18 pm |
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I actually think it would be nice is the head-scarf could be allowed into university and into normal life. But I would not vote yes given the opportunity. Why? because many covered people once in, would not allow me my freedom.
If I could be assured that covered up people and their supporters would allow me equal freedom to wear my jeans and strapped summer t-shirts and sandals into school, bank, uni, or other, or a skirt above the knees (and I don't mean ultra-mini) and a sweater, then Hey let's all live and get on together, side by side.
But sadly, I think this would not happen either. Wouldn't it be nice if everybody could respect another's beliefs. But I couldn't walk through many parts of Istanbul wearing what I want without also being criticised or even sworn at.
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