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Selamlar sana olsun Atam
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 04:01 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Elham dont use this as an excuse to demonstrate intolerance to headscarfs. This is about hyprocracy.
Do you think its fair to criticise women in Istanbul and say they are bad muslims because they don't cover themselves, but fail to mention the men who drink, smoke, dont go to mosque etc?
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i think I misunderstood the start of thread, cause i read it hastily, which made me remember that the previous topic on the hijab and what happened when the attacks on the hijab and Islam
well, about your question to me
of course thers no fair to say that( Muslim bad) because God knows more than us what the true faith Inside thier hearts
I have a lot of friends, they dont wear hijab and i respecte them, they are good Muslim but lacks only the hijab to be fully Muslim faith
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 04:10 pm |
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I think Canli was referring to my post when she mentioned the word 'covered'. But I certainly did not mean any racism by the word - actually I have never heard it causes offence as many Turkish ladies, both covered and open, use the same word all the time ! If you read my post, you will also see that I am in favour of each to their own so long as the respect is from all sides.
But there is one thing that does confuse me Canli about your words, on the one hand you say that God ordered the veil, and then you say it is in your heart. I suppose you mean, people have varying levels of faith but that you believe without the veil, a woman is not a full muslim ????
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 04:14 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: First of all,i find it very offencive sentence to say 'covered people' !
And it give a racism smell too. |
How would you call the Turkish people talking to me about kapalı bayanlar (Closed women)?
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 04:45 pm |
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Now we reached the same point that the debate became sharp in the old theard about if Hijab is Quranic or non
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 04:46 pm |
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Quoting elham:
Now we reached the same point that the debate became sharp in the old theard about if Hijab is Quranic or non |
Exactly!
Lets talk about cheese now 
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 05:14 pm |
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Thank you so much for this post. I was talking to my husband about this last night as I had asked earlier in this thread if hijab was in the Quran or if it was a cultural thing. He told me that the veils were a cultural thing but that the Quran demands modesty. Whatever the case may be, I don't think there is anyway to NOT talk about religion on a Turkish Language website. I think these debates are SO important in todays world. Religion is one of the most important parts of culture and language is part of culture...how do we separate these? It is difficult. It is like talking about the weather but nobody can mention anything about the sky....it is a strange rule...but that is the culture of TLC so I will shut up now.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 05:18 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: I think Canli was referring to my post when she mentioned the word 'covered'. But I certainly did not mean any racism by the word - actually I have never heard it causes offence as many Turkish ladies, both covered and open, use the same word all the time ! If you read my post, you will also see that I am in favour of each to their own so long as the respect is from all sides.
But there is one thing that does confuse me Canli about your words, on the one hand you say that God ordered the veil, and then you say it is in your heart. I suppose you mean, people have varying levels of faith but that you believe without the veil, a woman is not a full muslim ???? |
Actually yes!
İ never heared of the terms covered women,and open women before!
İ read that term'covered women' only in postes were attacking them and didnt want even to mention the word Hijab.
Anyhow,what i say,of course it is an order from ALLAH and written in Qur'an,and i wont argue this.
There is the Holy book, Qur'an,and there are İmam, teachers of the religions,so who doesnt know,can go and ask.
İts not my responsibility as long as you have the methodes,you are not in deseret and you cant find out!
Who want to know he can do it,its his responsibility.
But dont state something you dont know,and all İmam said its in Qur'an,and we,who can understand the arabic can read and understand it very well too.
Saying its not and order from ALLAH is something you will be asked about it,so be sure about it very well before you carry that burden.
As in previous post someon has said,you use a math teacher to understand math,so why dont do to religion teacher to understand religion ?!
What i was saying,althought its an odered from ALLAH,but only your faith will let you bear it,because of course its not an easy thing to do.
Drinking is forbidden in Christianity too,people drink,and some dont,right ?
İn both cases its forbidden,but why do those people drink and the others dont ?
They have the faith in their hearts.
So faith is first,and then look about other things
İ cant never say on a Muslim person that heöor she is a full Muslim or not
As long as they say Şahada, then they are Muslims
ALLAH judge them,im not entitled to judge them
What i can judge is did they make the order from ALLAH or not,so not veiled women didnt do that order, judging them is up to ALLAH,its their responsibility,not mine.
Ps:im not adressing you personally Cacık
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 05:23 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Drinking is forbidden in Christianity too,people drink,and some dont,right ?
İn both cases its forbidden,but why do those people drink and the others dont ?
They have the faith in their hearts.
So faith is first,and then look about other things |
I believe its ok to drink in Christianity, but not become drunk. Many many Church of England vicars (priests) drink regularly! They have wine with meals and also drink spirits like whisky! Even taking the sacrement involves sipping wine! Its also well known with Irish Catholic priests.
I think also, you have to remember that there are few devout Christians in the west Canli. Most people are baptized, attend weddings and maybe funerals in a Christian church, but do not practice Christianity as a way of life.
For this reason (and because I hate hypocracy!) I call myself "agnostic".
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 05:31 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting CANLI: Drinking is forbidden in Christianity too,people drink,and some dont,right ?
İn both cases its forbidden,but why do those people drink and the others dont ?
They have the faith in their hearts.
So faith is first,and then look about other things |
I believe its ok to drink in Christianity, but not become drunk. Many many Church of England vicars (priests) drink regularly! They have wine with meals and also drink spirits like whisky! Even taking the sacrement involves sipping wine! Its also well known with Irish Catholic priests.
I think also, you have to remember that there are few devout Christians in the west Canli. Most people are baptized, attend weddings and maybe funerals in a Christian church, but do not practice Christianity as a way of life.
For this reason (and because I hate hypocracy!) I call myself "agnostic". |
I think that following a religion, whether it is Christianity or Islam is "counter-culture" in todays modern society. I find it very hard to be a practicing Catholic. That is why it is so important that if you committ to a religion, you must committ whole heartedly and not just pick the aspects that are easy.
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24 Aug 2007 Fri 05:31 pm |
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Aenigma, make up your mind please..shall we talk about cheese or religion
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