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please, dont betray us!
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 11:58 pm |
Something else that I think every woman should be taught at an early age, is an appropriate martial art such as Aikido or Judo.
When I was very young, my father taught me some basic techniques of Judo. His lessons proved valuable and most probably life saving teachings. Later in life as a young adult, I studied Aikido.
These martial arts teach a way of being that helps to keep one out of a dangerous situation. In my travels, I've always taught what my father taught me to other women. Hopefully it has been some help.
These particular martial arts are good for women as they don't use physical strength, but rather awareness and methods of redirection.
Edit to add more:
The teacher (Sensei) taught us, the attackers attacks with the mind first. We were taught to feel an attack before it was manifested physically, thus enabling us to get out of the way, or redirect the attack. We were taught to develop the state of Mushin
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31 Dec 2007 Mon 12:42 pm |
Quoting MarioninTurkey:
Hmmm ... I didn't understand this quote either ...
Daydreamer please read what I wrote earlier on this thread.
There are many many women here in Turkey who are working and trying to change their situation, but often limited resources or the status quo hold back their efforts. It is like they are trying to push a very very heavy object up a very steep slope. The more people who come alongside and help support them, the easier it will be for them to reach the summit they aspire to.
The best way to help I believe is to assist in empowering these women who are trying to make a difference for themselves, e.g. supporting one of the NGOs in Turkey like The Mother and Child Foundation, the Street Kids project etc etc, or by buying goods produced by womens co-operatives.
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I apologise for not being perfectly clear. I know that organisations helping single mothers, battered wives etc are doing a great job. I wasn't questioning their sense. What I was questioning was 'imposed' help, in particular, the "who's not with us, is against us" policy that some members here present. But, even as far as support organisations are concerned, a woman has to want them to help her. That was basically my point - if you think you should be helped, it is up to you only to do something about it, as nobody will come knocking on your door and change your life for you.
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31 Dec 2007 Mon 01:25 pm |
I dont know if it is quite relevant but I think that what alameda was trying to point out on the previous post was the different extend of responsibility that women have against men in some areas due to the circle of nature....yes women can enjoy sex and yes women can keep a child or not but in general I think the point was that wanting it or not women have more responsibilities that make them (although smaller in body or physical force) stronger in some areas....
my point of view is that there should be a balance in everything....I completely dislike career women that have unfortunately developed in my country as well that neglect their men or families but at the same time I sympathise all the women that suffer under the pressure of barbarian men that torture them physically or psychologically (which is quite common in western culture as well)
I would like my man to be stronger than me in order to protect me (not only literraly) as I like me role as a woman and detest castrated men but I think that in everything there should be a balance....
It is easy in words to protest and rebel and try to make other people go against something that is mainly accepted in a culture but when trying to put it in action it may be difficult....Actions like these should start mainly from the core of the problem (that would be Pakistan or Iraq or Turkey) rather than playing philosophers while sitting on our couches....
Furthermore it is very difficult to understand one's culture unless been brought up with it.
I dont want all these to be taken the wrong way I am not attacking anyone and I enjoy all conversations...and I really find this specific on a very interesting conversation but I just try to be a bit realistic....
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 12:23 am |
Quoting effie: ..........I dont want all these to be taken the wrong way I am not attacking anyone and I enjoy all conversations...and I really find this specific on a very interesting conversation but I just try to be a bit realistic.... |
Welcome to TLC Effie...You make some very good points. You also come close to my point of "throwing out the baby with the wash". Perhaps we need to reevaluate just what it means to be a woman, instead of mimicking men, with the false idea that to be male is to be free. Women need to discover the actual power of being feminine.
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01 Jan 2008 Tue 04:45 am |
First of all I would like to comment the initial posting in this thread: I will do my best to not betray women that are fighting their way to freedom and equality wherever that might be. Further more I wish us all the best in our struggle because I know that we somehow share the struggle (though my personal suffering for sure might be less than many others) as part of the overall struggle against opression of any kind in this world, whether it is opression based on power structures of sex, class, race, sexuality or physical ability to mention some. I might disagree with your methods as you might disagree with my methods, That is not the main issue and the opressors could not be happier than seeing the opressed ones fight among themselves...
I have been away for a long time and I only come here eventually and try to get a picture of what is going on. I love TC and many of the persons I met here and I think that many of the discussions, although sometimes a bit rough and hush (however that is spelled), have enrichened my own knowledge and way of thinking. I think we should neither take ourselves to serious nor subestimate the significance of these discussions. We are never the same coming out of a discussion, whether we are angry as hell or laughing out loud.
I will add two Bertolt Brecht quotes I find brilliant:
"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are."
The other one I can´t find in english so I do my own poor and free translation:
"...the side on which the fighters are more tired will lose the battle."
I hope it will not be our side!
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 08:50 am |
Quoting alameda: Quoting effie: ..........I dont want all these to be taken the wrong way I am not attacking anyone and I enjoy all conversations...and I really find this specific on a very interesting conversation but I just try to be a bit realistic.... |
Welcome to TLC Effie...You make some very good points. You also come close to my point of "throwing out the baby with the wash". Perhaps we need to reevaluate just what it means to be a woman, instead of mimicking men, with the false idea that to be male is to be free. Women need to discover the actual power of being feminine. |
Thank you for the welcoming and I wish everyone a happy new year with less problems and more hapinness and good health (that sounds a bit utopic but hope always dies last)
I dont know if that was the point you were trying to make, I was giving my own interpretation but Im glad I was not wrong. Women should be women and not men with boobs. This does not mean that they should be taken advantage of but nowdays the course most women have chosen is by far different to what I have learnt a woman should do. I am referring mostly to the western way of life. On the other hand repressed women living in eastern countries should be helped to find the strength needed to make their own revolution....
p.s. I know this will start a huge conversation which will probably end in arguments but living in a "religional" country makes me think that religion has a lot to do with stereotypes and unwelcomed situations....and this does not include muslims as most people would think...my country's official religion is 99% orthodox christians....
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02 Jan 2008 Wed 01:01 pm |
...suddenly I feel so tired...
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