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please, dont betray us!
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50.       AEnigma III
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 27 Dec 2007 Thu 09:10 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Yeah... call me a "white, rich, priviledged woman" again and I wont be so free with the flowers.


lol
come on, let's stop arguing and let's start to listen. (does my straightforward language insult you? )



it doesn't insult me!!! But you are making assumptions - I certainly do not feel rich

51.       femme_fatal
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 27 Dec 2007 Thu 09:17 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Yeah... call me a "white, rich, priviledged woman" again and I wont be so free with the flowers.


lol
come on, let's stop arguing and let's start to listen. (does my straightforward language insult you? )


and what happens to my straightforward language?

52.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 27 Dec 2007 Thu 09:23 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


and what happens to my straightforward language?


Femme, femme, femme! It's not all about you all the time........ok, well yesterday kind of was...but that doesn't really count.

53.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Dec 2007 Thu 09:24 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

it doesn't insult me!!! But you are making assumptions - I certainly do not feel rich


maybe you're not rich in british standards, but you and I are both rich compared to most women in the world.

54.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 27 Dec 2007 Thu 09:30 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


and what happens to my straightforward language?


Femme, femme, femme! It's not all about you all the time........ok, well yesterday kind of was...but that doesn't really count.


i mean why some people can justify their straightforwardness and at the same time theres zero tolerance to mine?
it was just a little question.
i hate being talked, im sad im not strong enough to push my thoughts forward, instead i find my personality being discussed.
kitty questions me being for less effective.
thats what im concerned about.
im not skilfull enough to convince people to my point instead i discourage them. is it my fault?

55.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 27 Dec 2007 Thu 10:04 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


and what happens to my straightforward language?


Femme, femme, femme! It's not all about you all the time........ok, well yesterday kind of was...but that doesn't really count.


i mean why some people can justify their straightforwardness and at the same time theres zero tolerance to mine?
it was just a little question.
i hate being talked, im sad im not strong enough to push my thoughts forward, instead i find my personality being discussed.
kitty questions me being for less effective.
thats what im concerned about.
im not skilfull enough to convince people to my point instead i discourage them. is it my fault?


There is zero tolerance from little people with little minds....who cares what they think about you

56.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Dec 2007 Thu 11:24 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

i mean why some people can justify their straightforwardness and at the same time theres zero tolerance to mine? it was just a little question.
i hate being talked, im sad im not strong enough to push my thoughts forward, instead i find my personality being discussed. kitty questions me being for less effective.
thats what im concerned about.
im not skilfull enough to convince people to my point instead i discourage them. is it my fault?



Hmmm....Femme...I didn't realize you are so sensitive. It's just your method of communicating is sometimes very brash and abrasive. It causes people to react in a negative manner.

I realize your command of the English language is not that sophisticated, but you really have been making quite amazing improvements. I tip my virtual hat to you!

57.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 27 Dec 2007 Thu 11:26 pm

Quoting alameda:

Hmmm....Femme...I didn't realize you are so sensitive. It's just your method of communicating is sometimes very brash and abrasive. It causes people to react in a negative manner.

I realize your command of the English language is not that sophisticated, but you really have been making quite amazing improvements. I tip my virtual hat to you!



Predictably patronising....I am suprised you didn't include a link?

58.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Dec 2007 Thu 11:40 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting alameda:

Hmmm....Femme...I didn't realize you are so sensitive. It's just your method of communicating is sometimes very brash and abrasive. It causes people to react in a negative manner.

I realize your command of the English language is not that sophisticated, but you really have been making quite amazing improvements. I tip my virtual hat to you!



Predictably patronising....I am suprised you didn't include a link?



Ahhh a comment from a Rich Britt

59.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 28 Dec 2007 Fri 01:58 am

Femme posted :
this is an appeal to the western women.

please, dont betray us!

we are just fighting our way to the freedom and equality.

some of us have opened eyes from the darkness we were born to, where we were taught that we are less valuable than men.
where we are still not more than a simple cloth or furniture.
if we want to say anything from ourselves, they (the society) immediately condemn us for being rebels or disobeying the customs and traditions set by men and for men.
we are trapped in our culture, our men dont support us (even those who are educated and open-minded).

we dont ask you to do anything for us.
we just ask you to consider before clapping your hands toward traditions that opress us.
we know that you live in free societies where you enjoy your rights, but pretending that you are a loving person tolerating every culture does harm to us eastern women!

please, wear our shoes for a second then leave your ideas.

thank you for your cooperation!

end of quote

Well I wore your shoes for a while today.
I have thought a great deal about what you have said. I read all the posts on the threads and other discussions from past threads with a similar theme. I wondered how any amount of discussions (some of which tend to descend into arguments) could help women in such a terrible predicament.
I thought about how inadequate I feel because I’m not the activist that so many women around the world are. I thought about my female friends from Turkey, Pakistan, India and Iraq (some with scarf, some without) and my female western friends (some tied to the kitchen sink and some not). I wrote many words, citing examples of how my non british origin friends are very strong women and how myself and my white british friends were raised by our parents in an intrinsically male dominated society. I think I was trying to say that women all over the world suffer, obviously some much more than others, depending on where they live. I have personal examples of how my own life has been affected, in the past, by men, both in the home and at work. But in the end I cut this short because none of it is relevant to the plight of the women referred to in the post.
I read the post again and noticed:
“we dont ask you to do anything for us.
we just ask you to consider before clapping your hands toward traditions that opress us.
we know that you live in free societies where you enjoy your rights, but pretending that you are a loving person tolerating every culture does harm to us eastern women!”

I want you to know that I would never clap my hands about such a serious predicament many women find themselves in (this is not an angry tone but a sincere one – I am giving you my assurance). I'm not an activist in the sense that I don't go on demonstrations or belong to some kind of society but I do speak up for the rights of women when the opportunity presents itself.
The very end of your post made me remember something that was once said to me many years ago. I was attending a course about the teaching of Religious Education (I am not an R.E. teacher though). The word ‘tolerate’ was discussed and the course leader warned that this word could be quite dangerous and went on to give an example of someone (I will not say who) whose beliefs/practices/views should not be tolerated. I have always remembered that and it was good to hear you say a similar thing.
I think people who stand up to be counted deserve admiration. Many women in history have put their lives on the line for women like me. And there are probably still women doing it today in eastern societies. I applaud them.
These words don’t seem enough somehow.


60.       teaschip
3870 posts
 28 Dec 2007 Fri 02:10 am

Very well said peace train.

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