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30 Jan 2008 Wed 10:33 pm |
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1.Universities are grounds where all types of personal freedoms (religious, political, sexual, whatever) should be freely practiced.
2. Universities are grounds where all types of personal freedoms (religious, political, sexual, whatever) should be freely discussed.
3. Both statements above are correct.
Which is correct?....Anyone with comments?
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 10:37 pm |
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Definitely 2. Besides the fact that I think that those freedoms should be discussed freely on ANY ground..
I totally disagree with 1 and number 3 therefore doesnt make sense anymore either 
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 10:38 pm |
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Universities home of science and progress,so second alternative another way to say that i think..
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 10:56 pm |
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In relation with the recent "Turban in University" crisis in Turkia, the Academic Council of Middle East Technical University declared a meaningful statement today, supporting Point (2) above.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:10 pm |
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Yes. Im happy that people who go to university now can wear their headscarf. I dont know whether on ilk okul children can wear it, but I think that in primary classes such signs of religion should be forbidden. The status of Islam in turkey these days is highly disputable and to be taken care of, and I dont think that children aged 4 till, lets say 8, have any idea what religion really is all about.
Nonetheless, its a good thing its no longer prohibited at university.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:15 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Yes. Im happy that people who go to university now can wear their headscarf. I dont know whether on ilk okul children can wear it, but I think that in primary classes such signs of religion should be forbidden. The status of Islam in turkey these days is highly disputable and to be taken care of, and I dont think that children aged 4 till, lets say 8, have any idea what religion really is all about.
Nonetheless, its a good thing its no longer prohibited at university. |
dk
are you saying that a girl at 8 should be allowed to wear headscarf?
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:15 pm |
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Deli_kizin,
You are inconsistent and obviously confused, in your two posts...
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:21 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: dk
are you saying that a girl at 8 should be allowed to wear headscarf? |
No. I am saying that headscarves should be allowed at university and forbidden in primary education.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:23 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Deli_kizin,
You are inconsistent and obviously confused, in your two posts... |
How is that inconsistent? I see a big difference between university and primary school. I think that that religion can and must be discussed with children on primary schools, but they should not be allowed to wear it yet: they have no idea what it means and probably do it because their moms do it. Would they do it if later they realized their mothers wore it for the wrong reasons? No. And they will put it on later themselves if they think their parents reasons for this are right.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:26 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting AlphaF: Deli_kizin,
You are inconsistent and obviously confused, in your two posts... |
How is that inconsistent? I see a big difference between university and primary school. I think that that religion can and must be discussed with children on primary schools, but they should not be allowed to wear it yet: they have no idea what it means and probably do it because their moms do it. Would they do it if later they realized their mothers wore it for the wrong reasons? No. And they will put it on later themselves if they think their parents reasons for this are right. |
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:27 pm |
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That is another inconsistency...If headscarf is a divine order, it should be required from 13-14 onward.
The Quran surely does not say that Turban is required in Universities, only...
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:30 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: That is another inconsistency...If headscarf is a divine order, it should be required from 13-14 onward.
The Quran surely does not say that Turban is required in Universities, only... |
Yes but isnt 13-14 orta okul-lise? Im fine with headscarves in highschool (İ think.. I should think more on this though). But not in primary schools. The difference between primary school and university, and primary school and highschool, is in so much the same, that children havent thought about these kind of things yet. In highschool those kind of subjects start to rise questions in childrens minds and therefore they can make a choice, especially if during primary education they have been made aware of what the İslam (and other religions) are about.
And whether it is an ORDER, is disputable. Muslims in every corner of the world disagree on this topic. That it is divine, no doubt, but an order?
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:32 pm |
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I insist even on Kindergartens...the sooner, the better.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:33 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I insist even on Kindergartens...the sooner, the better. |
You cannot be serious 
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:35 pm |
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I have recently started reading Kuran. Since its so hard to read (no wonder people think its divine! What kind of human writes such a book :-S) I am still at the third surah. I will report back as soon as I read about headscarves
I must admit I am reading the English version, not taking Arabic classes for another 8 months, and even then I think I'll never manage 
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:36 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I insist even on Kindergartens...the sooner, the better. |
Maybe we should start putting them on infants, Alpha. Little tiny pink headscarves! How adorable!! 
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:38 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Maybe we should start putting them on infants, Alpha. Little tiny pink headscarves! How adorable!! |
I know he only says such to wind me up  Wish I could respond the way you do
But in a sort of way, that thought is just kind of gross. Its intention is to keep the women's body hidden from a man. If a child in kindergarten has to do that.. what kind of man are we talking about??
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:40 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Elisabeth: Maybe we should start putting them on infants, Alpha. Little tiny pink headscarves! How adorable!! |
I know he only says such to wind me up Wish I could respond the way you do
But in a sort of way, that thought is just kind of gross. Its intention is to keep the women's body hidden from a man. If a child in kindergarten has to do that.. what kind of man are we talking about?? |
I will refrain from commenting on your question as I am afraid my comment will be an insult to Turkishness.
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:42 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I am afraid my comment will be an insult to Turkishness. |
Was thinking exactly the same
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30 Jan 2008 Wed 11:58 pm |
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dk
Take a look the original 3 statements again...are you sure you want to go with number 2 ?...You seem closer to number 1...maybe number 3...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:03 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I have recently started reading Kuran. Since its so hard to read (no wonder people think its divine! What kind of human writes such a book :-S) I am still at the third surah. I will report back as soon as I read about headscarves |
You should have started from the back Many find it hard to get past the second sura because it's so long and covers a lot of subjects Don't worry, it only gets better from now on
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:05 am |
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Quoting azade: You should have started from the back Many find it hard to get past the second sura because it's so long and covers a lot of subjects Don't worry, it only gets better from now on |
Yes, they said that at univesity too
I have decided that I shouldnt want to finish it quickly, but really take my time for it and only read when I feel like it, otherwise Ill get bored like a year ago.
Its hard for me to read, because I dont believe a word of it, and the difficult structures make it hard to understand. But it sure is an interesting read!!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:06 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: dk
Take a look the original 3 statements again...are you sure you want to go with number 2 ?...You seem closer to number 1...maybe number 3... |
Alphie, how did you come to that  ! Im no way near 1. Some things shouldnt be practiced freely
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:09 am |
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number 2 is correct.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:10 am |
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you mean, only those you like should be free to practice?...
sounds fair enough to me.... 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:14 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I have recently started reading Kuran. Since its so hard to read (no wonder people think its divine! What kind of human writes such a book :-S) I am still at the third surah. I will report back as soon as I read about headscarves
I must admit I am reading the English version, not taking Arabic classes for another 8 months, and even then I think I'll never manage |
are you serious DK?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:14 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: you mean, only those you like should be free to practice?...
sounds fair enough to me.... |
Sort of I was merely stating that allowing such does not also bring headscarves to the schools, but only public sex and alcohol use/abuse.
Im glad I didnt grow up in such an environment, and would not want my eventual children to do so.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:41 am |
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Your interpretation of the Academic Council's statement brings a whole new light on the issue.
I did not know they were worried about public sex or alcohol abuse on the campus. )))))))))
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:49 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: are you serious DK? |
About what  ?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:50 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Your interpretation of the Academic Council's statement brings a whole new light on the issue.
I did not know they were worried about public sex or alcohol abuse on the campus. |
Well I never linked it to that statement as I didnt read it, it was just a consequence of your first statement, saying personal freedoms (religious, political and SEXUAL) should be PRACTİSED FREELY.
So thats all. I dont think he was worrying about that
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:18 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting thehandsom: are you serious DK? |
About what ? |
About (no wonder people think its divine! What kind of human writes such a book ) comment?
just curious..that is all..not insuniating anything.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:21 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: About (no wonder people think its divine! What kind of human writes such a book ) comment?
just curious..that is all..not insuniating anything. |
Well, as I also said, I dont believe a word of it, so for me its just a genious who wrote it. But I can imagine that in that time, when nearly nobody could read and write at all, this language must have been magnificent! I can only imagine its Arabic version...
For example, the Bible, when you read it, you can clearly feel its written by a human. But from Quran, I did not get that feeling as strongly. (İm only at third surah so maybe Ill think about this differently later).
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:40 am |
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as it was said here, statement number 2 is correct.
Deli Kizin, first statement did not emphasize on sexual practices, as you did in the end, it was just an example, perhaps more eloquent in pointing the difference between practicing and freedom of speaking.
In my opinion,considering segregation, it is not a good choice to wear head scarves in any other forms of institution.
Even statement number 2 in the first post enumerates topics related to personal freedom, which includes religion.
i think that the headscarf issue appeared in universities first as in the highest form of education. could be a first step in separating religion from public life in a healthy way.
Regarding what you said, deviating the initial post, if freedom of speech is accepted, that is valid for any subject, not just subjects which are subjectively favored. freedom of speech does not limit the subject of discussion, but the concept of discussion (and dialog) in itself limits the ways of addressing, requiring assertive communication.
I will not follow here all the course of this thread, but you have deviated with your first answer, in which you said that number 2 is correct, and this freedom of speech should have been extended (which is true, and added a plus to your answer, but was not the object of question). But stating after that number 1. thus implying logically number 3 is incorrect is redundant. If following the logical course, number 2 being correct, 1 and 3 are not. But the question was which is correct (not which is not correct).
Thus you entered into the "alogical" realm, and the lack of correct answering lead you to incorrect statements and in the end to an unclear emphasizing on the sexual freedom, which might have been the starting point for you in delimiting the correct answer (number2).
AlphaF pointed you the mistakes, but in the way to face you with them, does enhancing the "logical uncertainty" behind your affirmation.
AlphaF, I disagree with the way you lead (by questions) your discussions with Deli Kizin because I think it is sometimes harder to learn this way, because this method is dual, either cristalize, or confuses even more, not according attention to the undesired mistakes in thinking and aiming to find eventual hidden tendencies as being hided, but true.
This is the method I would use for a candidate at an interview, a selection, for example. Aiming to find out what a person actually desires, but not aiming at the fact that a person maybe desires/needs a healthier way of thinking. The latter can be practiced along with illogical realms such as jokes.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:46 am |
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I am sorry but I surely refuse to believe you have written this all by yourself. The PMs you sent are not only of lesser English, but also a different approach and style. This is a mixture of something I cannot think of...
I did not emphasize on sex or whatever, and did not mean to. I only pointed out that, in case we allow free practice of ALL freedoms, this could be a consequence too. Something people loose out of eye-sight many times.
As for AlphaFs way of questioning. He is not at all interested in what people are to say, nor does he really give his own opinion. He just wants to stir up a bit and İm totally ok with that!
ps Portokal, I think I accidentaly pmd you, anyway it was meant for the forumç Sorry!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:55 am |
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As it is in the forum too, i shall quote my PM answer:
Sorry, i wrote this by myself.
The pms i write might be more different, the subject is different also in the way that i count, express my opinion in relating. It has a higher emotional support, to say in a way. but i think when evaluating, one has to be objective.
You did, even without wanting. Thus showes the capital letters also. And sex is the most obvious (and mostly recognised as having disastrous repercussions (out of tabu))))) example which can crisalize as a pro example of why freedom of practice is not a good option.
AlphaF gives/try to give-reflect the interlocutor's opinion.
He does not stir up.
the interlocutor does.
where the trick lies? because there is one.
but i shall discuss this in forum or with him personally.
You speak up quite strongly and convinced on his behalf. 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:00 am |
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Quoting portokal: as it was said here, statement number 2 is correct.
Deli Kizin, first statement did not emphasize on sexual practices, as you did in the end, it was just an example, perhaps more eloquent in pointing the difference between practicing and freedom of speaking.
In my opinion,considering segregation, it is not a good choice to wear head scarves in any other forms of institution.
Even statement number 2 in the first post enumerates topics related to personal freedom, which includes religion.
i think that the headscarf issue appeared in universities first as in the highest form of education. could be a first step in separating religion from public life in a healthy way.
Regarding what you said, deviating the initial post, if freedom of speech is accepted, that is valid for any subject, not just subjects which are subjectively favored. freedom of speech does not limit the subject of discussion, but the concept of discussion (and dialog) in itself limits the ways of addressing, requiring assertive communication.
I will not follow here all the course of this thread, but you have deviated with your first answer, in which you said that number 2 is correct, and this freedom of speech should have been extended (which is true, and added a plus to your answer, but was not the object of question). But stating after that number 1. thus implying logically number 3 is incorrect is redundant. If following the logical course, number 2 being correct, 1 and 3 are not. But the question was which is correct (not which is not correct).
Thus you entered into the "alogical" realm, and the lack of correct answering lead you to incorrect statements and in the end to an unclear emphasizing on the sexual freedom, which might have been the starting point for you in delimiting the correct answer (number2).
AlphaF pointed you the mistakes, but in the way to face you with them, does enhancing the "logical uncertainty" behind your affirmation.
AlphaF, I disagree with the way you lead (by questions) your discussions with Deli Kizin because I think it is sometimes harder to learn this way, because this method is dual, either cristalize, or confuses even more, not according attention to the undesired mistakes in thinking and aiming to find eventual hidden tendencies as being hided, but true.
This is the method I would use for a candidate at an interview, a selection, for example. Aiming to find out what a person actually desires, but not aiming at the fact that a person maybe desires/needs a healthier way of thinking. The latter can be practiced along with illogical realms such as jokes. |
portakalfa..
I hope you will accept my critisism..
I have never seen so much common ideas, squeezed into 'forced uncommon words' to be honest..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:02 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I am sorry but I surely refuse to believe you have written this all by yourself. The PMs you sent are not only of lesser English, but also a different approach and style. This is a mixture of something I cannot think of...
I did not emphasize on sex or whatever, and did not mean to. I only pointed out that, in case we allow free practice of ALL freedoms, this could be a consequence too. Something people loose out of eye-sight many times.
As for AlphaFs way of questioning. He is not at all interested in what people are to say, nor does he really give his own opinion. He just wants to stir up a bit and İm totally ok with that!
ps Portokal, I think I accidentaly pmd you, anyway it was meant for the forumç Sorry!
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unlike you, i am very suspicious and i do not think in terms of accidents. but they do happen...
if it was an accident, the apology should have been made in PM, not in forum.)))
since it was made like this, i would like to ask you that, next time we exchange PMs, which i like and i am in favour of, let us try to delimit better the spheres of discussions between private and public.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:02 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: [
portakalfa..
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You definitely crackd me up here! (No this is not Catatürk entering my account!).
I thought the same about these common ideas. Well anyway, its too late to bother for simple minds,
Goodnight everyone!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:05 am |
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Quoting portokal: let us try to delimit better the spheres of discussions between private and public. |
I accidentally hit private message instead of quote. When I sent it and then looked inside the forum, I did not see my message. I then found it in the sent-mail and posted it again quickly. Sorry for the inconvenience.
I would not mind publishing any pms with you anyway, so for me it doesnt really matter
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:09 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal: as it was said here, statement number 2 is correct.
Deli Kizin, first statement did not emphasize on sexual practices, as you did in the end, it was just an example, perhaps more eloquent in pointing the difference between practicing and freedom of speaking.
In my opinion,considering segregation, it is not a good choice to wear head scarves in any other forms of institution.
Even statement number 2 in the first post enumerates topics related to personal freedom, which includes religion.
i think that the headscarf issue appeared in universities first as in the highest form of education. could be a first step in separating religion from public life in a healthy way.
Regarding what you said, deviating the initial post, if freedom of speech is accepted, that is valid for any subject, not just subjects which are subjectively favored. freedom of speech does not limit the subject of discussion, but the concept of discussion (and dialog) in itself limits the ways of addressing, requiring assertive communication.
I will not follow here all the course of this thread, but you have deviated with your first answer, in which you said that number 2 is correct, and this freedom of speech should have been extended (which is true, and added a plus to your answer, but was not the object of question). But stating after that number 1. thus implying logically number 3 is incorrect is redundant. If following the logical course, number 2 being correct, 1 and 3 are not. But the question was which is correct (not which is not correct).
Thus you entered into the "alogical" realm, and the lack of correct answering lead you to incorrect statements and in the end to an unclear emphasizing on the sexual freedom, which might have been the starting point for you in delimiting the correct answer (number2).
AlphaF pointed you the mistakes, but in the way to face you with them, does enhancing the "logical uncertainty" behind your affirmation.
AlphaF, I disagree with the way you lead (by questions) your discussions with Deli Kizin because I think it is sometimes harder to learn this way, because this method is dual, either cristalize, or confuses even more, not according attention to the undesired mistakes in thinking and aiming to find eventual hidden tendencies as being hided, but true.
This is the method I would use for a candidate at an interview, a selection, for example. Aiming to find out what a person actually desires, but not aiming at the fact that a person maybe desires/needs a healthier way of thinking. The latter can be practiced along with illogical realms such as jokes. |
portakalfa..
I hope you will accept my critisism..
I have never seen so much common ideas, squeezed into 'forced uncommon words' to be honest..
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i accept your criticism. as a person opened to dialogue.
what i wrote here was not meant to be extraordinary or un-common, it was just pointing out -not step by step, true, the points of our discussions. As for the uncommon words... i am sometimes a gourmand. And this answer reflects your post, which was not ment to deal with my post more than at the level of criticism.
PS thank you for including me among the buggers, but what i like as being fair is to criticise but answer at the addressed questions, too. like i asked you what i did to bug you.
i can accept criticism in that answer, as well.
portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:13 am |
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Quoting portokal: portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa. |
Do you, Portokalfie, accept to be Alphas 4th cyberwife, through good and bad times, in sickness and health, what is your answer to this? (please dont tell me you have to discuss this perfectly too with your Alfa before being able to answer).
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:16 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting portokal: portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa. |
Do you, Portokalfie, accept to be Alphas 4th cyberwife, through good and bad times, in sickness and health, what is your answer to this? (please dont tell me you have to discuss this perfectly too with your Alfa before being able to answer). |
looks like i should discuss with him, though.
because the answer is no. i do not want to be cyberwife.
i am blessed with tridimensional existence, also.)))
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:18 am |
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For you, we can take out the cyber part, if it makes you happy to be the fourth anyway
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:25 am |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting portokal: portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa. |
Do you, Portokalfie, your answer to this? (please dont tell me you have to discuss this perfectly too with your Alfa before being able to answer). |
looks like i should discuss with him, though.
because the answer is no. i do not want to be cyberwife.
i am blessed with tridimensional existence, also.)))
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then the answer is yes. I accept to be Alphas wife, through good and bad.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:26 am |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting portokal: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting portokal: portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa. |
Do you, Portokalfie, your answer to this? (please dont tell me you have to discuss this perfectly too with your Alfa before being able to answer). |
looks like i should discuss with him, though.
because the answer is no. i do not want to be cyberwife.
i am blessed with tridimensional existence, also.)))
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then the answer is yes. I accept to be Alphas wife, through good and bad. |
i just wonder where is he...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:27 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I am sorry but I surely refuse to believe you have written this all by yourself. The PMs you sent are not only of lesser English, but also a different approach and style.
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I posted a similar observation a few days ago and Portokal explained she was receiving help
Oh and I notice Portokal, you spelled Alpha as Alfa on this thread . . . I think you are confusing him with Alfalfa which is a type of plant grown for fodder. But it is tasty fodder . No offence meant, I am just playing with words.
ps Where will the honeymoon take place? Will all wives go?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:27 am |
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which part?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:27 am |
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I think for many people, the image they had of Alpha, turned out to be untrue...
But let him come back in the morning as his real, intelligent self, and see what he has to say
Now, I am really off to tea and uyku!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:30 am |
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Quoting peace train: Alfalfa which is a type of plant grown for fodder. |
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:30 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting peace train: Alfalfa which is a type of plant grown for fodder. |
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Alfa? not where i come from
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:32 am |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting peace train: Alfalfa which is a type of plant grown for fodder. |
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Alfa? not where i come from .
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It is common to use Alfa instead of Alpha. That is to answer without any doubts regarding the question.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:32 am |
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Quoting portokal: where is the proposing one? |
Somewhere making a fool of himself?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:34 am |
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I have no issues with idea that uncommon words and forced elegant language being in use for difficult ideas. But when the idea is sooo common that you could find almost the same in turkish coffee houses for retired men (emekliler kiraathanesi is the turkish name for it), you immediatly think that 'OMG what the heck is this.Sooo fake. Sorry but nothing hides away the cheapness of it.
I would rather prefer to listen that idea from the common man with his own words.
Sorry really..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:36 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: I would rather prefer listen that idea from the common man with his own words.
Sorry really..
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Well, then be happy for all the women here We cant walk into these coffee houses, so all we get is to hear the cheaptalk from here!
Hey garson, a tavla and a kahve please
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:37 am |
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wearing turban is not related to Islam.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:38 am |
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Quoting adonis: wearing turban is not related to Islam. |
I announce this the post of the day!
So according to you its not a divine order, Adonis?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:44 am |
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This is a turban
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:46 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: I have no issues with idea that uncommon words and forced elegant language being in use for difficult ideas. But when the idea is sooo common that you could find almost the same in turkish coffee houses for retired men (emekliler kiraathanesi is the turkish name for it), you immediatly think that 'OMG what the heck is this.Sooo fake. Sorry but nothing hides away the cheapness of it.
I would rather prefer listen that idea from the common man with his own words.
Sorry really..
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It is no problem, I understand your opinion and accept your criticism as being told frankly.
do not forget i wanted to speak clearly, and that some socio-philosophical (i think) terms were used such as personal freedom and freedom of speech.
As for the coffee houses, i enjoy talking and drinking coffee.
Which i would have done in this case also, lest that the way this post was lead and Deli Kizin's hesitative replies have not determined me into an answer. Should this be a starting point into an another discussion, here i am.
Very short and pragmatic, i prefer the emekliler kiraathanesi (thank you for the turkish term. A nice tavla, coffee (unless pregnant ) and a nice chat (in romanian there is the expression o vorba cinstita - an honest (literally translation, meaning coming from the heart-sincere, ... the way there are the talks in this place) talk.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:49 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting thehandsom: I would rather prefer listen that idea from the common man with his own words.
Sorry really..
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Well, then be happy for all the women here We cant walk into these coffee houses, so all we get is to hear the cheaptalk from here!
Hey garson, a tavla and a kahve please |
i am slow in answers dammit! 
Actually it is my luck to. i do not turn into kirmizi biber.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:51 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting portokal: where is the proposing one? |
Somewhere making a fool of himself? |
yes and no.
yes, if we look at the fact he is not here , no if we look at the fact that maybe he has done it like this for me.
then i am making a fool of myself .
which opens more problems. he would not feel comfortable with it. i would not feel comfortable with his uncomfort (lack of comfort/non-comfort :head_bang.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:52 am |
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Quoting adonis: wearing turban is not related to Islam. |
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:00 am |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting adonis: wearing turban is not related to Islam. |
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damn it.
it was no need for this.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:09 am |
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Quoting portokal:
It is no problem, I understand your opinion and accept your criticism as being told frankly.
do not forget i wanted to speak clearly, and that some socio-philosophical (i think) terms were used such as personal freedom and freedom of speech. |
haha.
Of course it is personal freedom and personal speech. Ama, some socio-philosophical terms being used to express very common ideas is just a bit tacky and cheap according to me.
Reminding me gilded copper. That is all.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:13 am |
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where is my message in turkish? i can't see it now.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:21 am |
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Quoting portokal:
AlphaF, I disagree with the way you lead (by questions) your discussions with Deli Kizin because I think it is sometimes harder to learn this way, because this method is dual, either cristalize, or confuses even more, not according attention to the undesired mistakes in thinking and aiming to find eventual hidden tendencies as being hided, but true.
This is the method I would use for a candidate at an interview, a selection, for example. Aiming to find out what a person actually desires, but not aiming at the fact that a person maybe desires/needs a healthier way of thinking. The latter can be practiced along with illogical realms such as jokes. |
AlphaF
sorry for the unproper formulation. i am rather uneducated, which after a certain age transforms into lack of manners.
what i was disagreeing with is the fact i know form experiments... that thoughts influence the outcome of discussions.
To Alpha and all other members whom we had this discussion in this thread:
i understand the name of portokalfa is the name given to a mime and not a symbol of something more in which you gave the courtezy to my name to come first.
i also understand a hidden criticism towards my expressing. it is not something i do good (i feel like, and that is because(1.i have my limits,2. i do not want to,3 i am doing it in this thread), not something i should even done. it is not what suits me, nor what i am required to do. i can well refrain from coffee houses. and some other things. i do not need them. it would be a lie to tell you, AlfaF, that this s because of you. no. it is the way i am. sharing your teachings with my inner desires. and this is the best a woman can give. it is called, in a way i think, love.
i can refrain.
even from marrying you i can refrain.
i would not be the fourth wife, isn't it?
i will not refrain from doing what is good and suitable, thus and not only thus pleasant to me.
and i shall let you resolve this short circuit of pain.
because i was wrong in the lack of understanding. it was what i did. not like i mistake.
PS i did not mis-spelled AlphaF, i am sure without looking.
And you, AlphaF, there is a point where i question if you deserve me. not taking in calculation my mistakes.
all this bitterness and doubt you have and what you needed to get over, too. and you did. you now feel it also.
after that point i do not doubt anything.
not even the responsabilities i have or the way i should act.
which would be - if i was to listen to your channel obturations(and tremendous fear of being left), to leave. if it was to my heart only, to listen to your approaches from now on.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:47 am |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting portokal:
AlphaF, I disagree with the way you lead (by questions) your discussions with Deli Kizin because I think it is sometimes harder to learn this way, because this method is dual, either cristalize, or confuses even more, not according attention to the undesired mistakes in thinking and aiming to find eventual hidden tendencies as being hided, but true.
This is the method I would use for a candidate at an interview, a selection, for example. Aiming to find out what a person actually desires, but not aiming at the fact that a person maybe desires/needs a healthier way of thinking. The latter can be practiced along with illogical realms such as jokes. |
sorry for the unproper formulation. i am rather uneducated, which after a certain age transforms into lack of manners.
what i was disagreeing with is the fact i know form experiments... that thoughts influence the outcome of discussions.
To Alpha and all other members whom we had this discussion in this thread:
i understand the name of portokalfa is the name given to a mime and not a symbol of something more in which you gave the courtezy to my name to come first.
i also understand a hidden criticism towards my expressing. it is not something i do good (i feel like, and that is because(1.i have my limits,2. i do not want to,3 i am doing it in this thread), not something i should even done. it is not what suits me, nor what i am required to do. i can well refrain from coffee houses. and some other things. i do not need them. it would be a lie to tell you, AlfaF, that this s because of you. no. it is the way i am. sharing your teachings with my inner desires. and this is the best a woman can give. it is called, in a way i think, love.
i can refrain.
even from marrying you i can refrain.
i would not be the fourth wife, isn't it?
i will not refrain from doing what is good and suitable, thus and not only thus pleasant to me.
and i shall let you resolve this short circuit of pain.
because i was wrong in the lack of understanding. it was what i did. not like i mistake.
PS i did not mis-spelled AlphaF, i am sure without looking.
And you, AlphaF, there is a point where i question if you deserve me. not taking in calculation my mistakes.
all this bitterness and doubt you have and what you needed to get over, too. and you did. you now feel it also.
after that point i do not doubt anything.
not even the responsabilities i have or the way i should act.
which would be - if i was to listen to your channel obturations(and tremendous fear of being left), to leave. if it was to my heart only, to listen to your approaches from now on.
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I am confused (not a difficulty for me )
Did you mean to post your last comment on this thread or was it meant to be a pm? Or perhaps you are teasing? .
I think I need my sleep 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 07:01 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting portokal: portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa. |
Do you, Portokalfie, accept to be Alphas 4th cyberwife, through good and bad times, in sickness and health, what is your answer to this? (please dont tell me you have to discuss this perfectly too with your Alfa before being able to answer). |
Good thing Alphie is a muslim. Able to take care of multiple wives...
or
is he just another dudu?????
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 07:24 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Good thing Alphie is a muslim. Able to take care of multiple wives...
or
is he just another dudu????? |
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 07:47 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: I have no issues with idea that uncommon words and forced elegant language being in use for difficult ideas. But when the idea is sooo common that you could find almost the same in turkish coffee houses for retired men (emekliler kiraathanesi is the turkish name for it), you immediatly think that 'OMG what the heck is this.Sooo fake. Sorry but nothing hides away the cheapness of it.
I would rather prefer to listen that idea from the common man with his own words.
Sorry really..
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That is basically because you are very common yourself...only natural !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 07:52 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting portokal: portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa. |
Do you, Portokalfie, accept to be Alphas 4th cyberwife, through good and bad times, in sickness and health, what is your answer to this? (please dont tell me you have to discuss this perfectly too with your Alfa before being able to answer). |
Good thing Alphie is a muslim. Able to take care of multiple wives...
or
is he just another dudu????? |
Keith, dont make a jack ass of yourself !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 09:31 am |
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when first this Turban issue came up i said: "the women should be free to choose" TAMAM ... but when they allowed them i saw how KARACARSAF started to appear ...
Regarding what Deli K. said - in Kuran Kerim it is said only like this ( its like a reproduction) cover yourself, dont let yourself be to men's fantasies ...
What we understand? Be decent woman, dont walk with your "things" opened because like this you cant be respected!
1. Turban is ARABIC CULTURE!
2. Turkey is secular republic, its not ruled by the "islamic law"
3. Soon the percentage of closed-women will be higher than the opened-women. We will go on the street and we will be seen as Non-muslims ...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 10:47 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting thehandsom: I have no issues with idea that uncommon words and forced elegant language being in use for difficult ideas. But when the idea is sooo common that you could find almost the same in turkish coffee houses for retired men (emekliler kiraathanesi is the turkish name for it), you immediatly think that 'OMG what the heck is this.Sooo fake. Sorry but nothing hides away the cheapness of it.
I would rather prefer to listen that idea from the common man with his own words.
Sorry really..
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That is basically because you are very common yourself...only natural ! |
Oh dear,
I thought I was posting to first part of portakalpha (alpha as alfa in turkish). But the second part is replying..(hmmmm. first part decided to go to sleep from msn or something like that?)
anyway.
Saying to a person 'you are common' brings the class issues into discussion which I have no intention to enter. I am not going to give a toss about the idea that some people might be thinking 'they are from the left ball of the sultan' so they should feel proud. That idea is tastless,tatty, cheap so as the people who think they are!!
My critisism was nothing to do with the personality or the class of the person.
I was merely referring to 'unhealtiness or cheapness of expressing kiraathane ideas with forced sophisticated language'.
I would recommend some psychotherapy sessions.
ps..maybe I am wrong! REs spend their entire professions by reading those boring specifications..May be it is simply the side effect.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:01 am |
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You talk too much...and meaningless..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:43 am |
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oops..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:22 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: oops..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 12:49 pm |
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Does anyone else get the feeling that there is quite alot of testosterone being thrown around in this thread?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:28 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: oops..
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Commom is your own word,
If it was a compliment, you should be happy getting it back.
If it was an insult, you got what you deserved...
Do not worry about class issues; You have no class at all !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:29 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: You have no class at all ! |
Turkish Class?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:32 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Does anyone else get the feeling that there is quite alot of testosterone being thrown around in this thread? |
She can smell it from miles away... 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:35 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting SERA_2005: Does anyone else get the feeling that there is quite alot of testosterone being thrown around in this thread? |
She can smell it from miles away... |
If it is true and if she is smelling it..
I am sure it is mine
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:35 pm |
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Quote: Quoting peace train: [if it was to my heart only, to listen to your approaches from now on.
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I am confused (not a difficulty for me )
Did you mean to post your last comment on this thread or was it meant to be a pm? Or perhaps you are teasing? .
I think I need my sleep |
do not be confused.
it was mented to be a pm.
no teasing! (with full meaning but also a play on word teas)
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:38 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting thehandsom: oops..
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Commom is your own word,
If it was a compliment, you should be happy getting it back.
If it was an insult, you got what you deserved...
Do not worry about class issues; You have no class at all ! |
It has always been my dream: 'a world without classes'.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:40 pm |
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You would have thought differently, if you had any class of your own.....
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:42 pm |
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Come on man!
Insisting on classes wont bring you anything..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:44 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Insisting on classes wont bring you anything.. |
He creates them himself, among members on TC
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:47 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting AlphaF: You would have thought differently, if you had any class of your own..... |
This is exactly why it goes all wrong with the world
So much for the God who supposedly created it, ey? |
I was serious in my previous post though: there are 'still' some people out there and they think they are from the left ball of the sultan and feel proud of it!!
This feeling might be the result of born into a rich family or going to a privileged school etc etc..
from the left ball of the sultan is a Turkish expression btw.
It is commonly used in Turkey for the people who try to show they are more important then the others .
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:49 pm |
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The difference between you and me....You will never understand or know...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:50 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I was serious in my previous post though: there are 'still' some people out there and they think they are from the left ball of the sultan and feel proud of it!!
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I know you were. So was I actually, but I deleted my own message because I feel I have gone to far saying 'supposedly'. On the other hand, thats just how I feel about it anyway..
But I agree with what you say. Dont really get why you wanted to tell me you were serious though
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:50 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting AlphaF: You would have thought differently, if you had any class of your own..... |
This is exactly why it goes all wrong with the world
So much for the God who supposedly created it, ey? |
Mr X? :-S
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:51 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Mr X? :-S |
Now THAT is funny
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:52 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting thehandsom: I was serious in my previous post though: there are 'still' some people out there and they think they are from the left ball of the sultan and feel proud of it!!
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I know you were. So was I actually, but I deleted my own message because I feel I have gone to far saying 'supposedly'. On the other hand, thats just how I feel about it anyway..
But I agree with what you say. Dont really get why you wanted to tell me you were serious though |
I was serious about people and their thoughts about the left ball of the sultan issue..sorry..it was not clear enough..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:54 pm |
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Can you not call likes of him "manufacturing defects", portokal?
Thinks he is funny too....a fifth class clown !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 01:55 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting thehandsom: I was serious in my previous post though: there are 'still' some people out there and they think they are from the left ball of the sultan and feel proud of it!!
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I know you were. So was I actually, but I deleted my own message because I feel I have gone to far saying 'supposedly'. On the other hand, thats just how I feel about it anyway..
But I agree with what you say. Dont really get why you wanted to tell me you were serious though |
I was serious about people and their thoughts about the left ball of the sultan issue..sorry..it was not clear enough.. |
sorry, but seriousity was not clear for me neither. i never doubted your seriozity, only your words puzzled me. giving me more alternatives.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:05 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I was serious about people and their thoughts about the left ball of the sultan issue..sorry..it was not clear enough.. |
Quoting AlphaF: Can you not call likes of him "manufacturing defects", portokal?
Thinks he is funny too....a fifth class clown ! |
Alfa, yes, you can call it. he tries to induce his seriousness with the statement "it was not clear enough", when actually he is not clear enough. he thinks he is funny. his ways of being funny may withold him from getting into the second class.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:16 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Can you not call likes of him "manufacturing defects", portokal?
Thinks he is funny too....a fifth class clown ! |
well... sense of humor may vary from one post to another.
thank you for making it more clearer for me.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:19 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom:
I was serious about people and their thoughts about the left ball of the sultan issue..sorry..it was not clear enough.. |
Quoting AlphaF: Can you not call likes of him "manufacturing defects", portokal?
Thinks he is funny too....a third class clown ! |
Alfa, yes, you can call it. he tries to induce his seriousness with the statement "it was not clear enough", when actually he is not clear enough. he thinks he is funny. his ways of being funny may withold him from getting into the second class.
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however, waisting "ways of calling" and words in criticising is not practical here. for you, AlfaPh. there are no manufacturing defects. just impurities.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:30 pm |
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I know...Nobody is perfect !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:40 pm |
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Oh god, He really believes he is from the left ball!!
I really touched something so precious to him..
It must be the reason why he keeps changing his post from second class to third, fifth ...He is unable to keep cool..
ha ha
And it is really nice to see you back as 'portokal only' dear portokal..
I agree with you about manufacturing defect issue..
People are not born normally as manufacturing defects. But later in the life the way your family teaches you who you are, the schools you go, the work you do can result in defect personality.
Ah.. too much 'weed' may cause the same effect btw..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:46 pm |
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I cant see why you are so happy, having touched my father's left ball...
Congratulations, anyway !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:46 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I cant see why you are so happy, having touched my father's left ball... |
See, THAT happens when you let people practice their freedoms
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:48 pm |
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You tell me, why he is so happy dk....you are great chummies, no?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:49 pm |
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i sure will develop the ability to read better than write!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:50 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: You tell me, why he is so happy dk....you are great chummies, no? |
I havent really noticed he is that happy?
Chummy.. People who think the same about certain subject just tend to stick together, isnt it.
And when you dont have anyone on the same thoughts, you can just create them, right?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:54 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting AlphaF: You tell me, why he is so happy dk....you are great chummies, no? |
I havent really noticed he is that happy?
Chummy.. People who think the same about certain subject just tend to stick together, isnt it.
And when you dont have anyone on the same thoughts, you can just create them, right? |
What are you talking about? If the clown wants to talk about anatomy, why not?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:55 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting AlphaF: You tell me, why he is so happy dk....you are great chummies, no? |
I havent really noticed he is that happy?
Chummy.. People who think the same about certain subject just tend to stick together, isnt it.
And when you dont have anyone on the same thoughts, you can just create them, right? |
chummies...
there are some things you can not create, though .
at least i hope...
me.(without verb as in hungarian, a language i used to speak a lot)
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:58 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Oh god, He really believes he is from the left ball!!
I really touched something so precious to him..
It must be the reason why he keeps changing his post from second class to third, fifth ...He is unable to keep cool..
ha ha
And it is really nice to see you back as 'portokal only' dear portokal..
I agree with you about manufacturing defect issue..
People are not born normally as manufacturing defects. But later in the life the way your family teaches you who you are, the schools you go, the work you do can result in defect personality.
Ah.. too much 'weed' may cause the same effect btw.. |
Quoting AlphaF: I cant see why you are so happy, having touched my father's left ball...
Congratulations, anyway ! |
The question is, how hard did he touch that ball...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 02:59 pm |
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I rest my case.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:03 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
I havent really noticed he is that happy? |
You are right. I am not that happy at all dk.
Because, this is not a new thing for me. I spent almost my entire life trying to teach 'left ball proud people' that 'ball is a ball, left or right not that important'..
I kept telling them 'what you believed in your entire life was WRONG.' and I always got same type of responses and same type of expressions on their faces. So nothing new here either..It is the reason it is not giving me a great joy.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:05 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Deli_kizin:
I havent really noticed he is that happy? |
You are right. I am not that happy at all dk.
Because, this not a new thing for me. I spent almost my entire life trying to teach 'left ball proud people' that 'ball is a ball, left or right not that important'..
I kept telling them 'what you believed in your entire life was WRONG.' and I always got same type of responses and same type of expressions on their faces. So nothing new here either..It is the reason it is not giving me a great joy.
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now that is the reason you are not allowed to touch my ball!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:06 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Deli_kizin:
I havent really noticed he is that happy? |
You are right. I am not that happy at all dk.
Because, this not a new thing for me. I spent almost my entire life trying to teach 'left ball proud people' that 'ball is a ball, left or right not that important'..
I kept telling them 'what you believed in your entire life was WRONG.' and I always got same type of responses and same type of expressions on their faces. So nothing new here either..It is the reason it is not giving me a great joy.
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now that is the reason you are not allowed to touch my ball!
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with yours, we can laugh, sure. until what we laugh about is touched harder.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:07 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Deli_kizin:
I havent really noticed he is that happy? |
You are right. I am not that happy at all dk.
Because, this not a new thing for me. I spent almost my entire life trying to teach 'left ball proud people' that 'ball is a ball, left or right not that important'..
I kept telling them 'what you believed in your entire life was WRONG.' and I always got same type of responses and same type of expressions on their faces. So nothing new here either..It is the reason it is not giving me a great joy.
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now that is the reason you are not allowed to touch my ball!
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with yours, we can laugh, sure. until what we laugh about is touched harder. |
Miss Palacsinta?
any opinions?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:09 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Deli_kizin:
I havent really noticed he is that happy? |
You are right. I am not that happy at all dk.
Because, this is not a new thing for me. I spent almost my entire life trying to teach 'left ball proud people' that 'ball is a ball, left or right not that important'..
I kept telling them 'what you believed in your entire life was WRONG.' and I always got same type of responses and same type of expressions on their faces. So nothing new here either..It is the reason it is not giving me a great joy.
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handsom, no wonder you oscillate from one realm to another.
why keep telling people you are wrong? and ilustrating their mistakes? they will never listen...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:13 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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typical.
why should i threaten with a punch in the sensible male parts?
would you give punch below the waist?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:13 pm |
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Quoting portokal:
handsom, no wonder you oscillate from one realm to another.
why keep telling people you are wrong? and ilustrating their mistakes? they will never listen... |
I made many of them understand they were wrong. As it were, some slipped through the net..
But, they are always wrong..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:14 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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typical.
why should i threaten with a punch in the sensible male parts?
would you give punch below the waist? |
above the waist 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:16 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal:
handsom, no wonder you oscillate from one realm to another.
why keep telling people you are wrong? and ilustrating their mistakes? they will never listen... |
I made many of them understand they were wrong. As it were, some slipped through the net..
But, they are always wrong.. |
well... the difference is i want to stay. and slip into reality.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:16 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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Forget talking about others's balls clown..Have a look at your own, when you want to have a real laugh !
Delicate clown...he is now learned where balls are; above or below waist..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:16 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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typical.
why should i threaten with a punch in the sensible male parts?
would you give punch below the waist? |
well..you kept insisting on 'touching the balls' in several posts...
I know it was not your idea in the first place (as usual )
But it is hitting below the waist actually..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:17 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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typical.
why should i threaten with a punch in the sensible male parts?
would you give punch below the waist? |
above the waist |
and i am not going to say the word here, it is mine and intimate you...
sapik.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:18 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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typical.
why should i threaten with a punch in the sensible male parts?
would you give punch below the waist? |
well..you kept insisting on 'touching the balls' in several posts...
I know it was not your idea in the first place (as usual )
But it is hitting below the waist actually..
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i am attracted to oppposite sex.
what can i do?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:19 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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Forget building talking about others's balls clown..Have a look at your own, when you want to have a real laugh ! |
You are going deeper man..
I would stop if I were you.
And I would really recommend stop lowering the level..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:19 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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typical.
why should i threaten with a punch in the sensible male parts?
would you give punch below the waist? |
well..you kept insisting on 'touching the balls' in several posts...
I know it was not your idea in the first place (as usual )
But it is hitting below the waist actually..
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go and touch what i should touch.
i am attracted to oppposite sex.
what can i do?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:20 pm |
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Quoting portokal:
i am attracted to oppposite sex.
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Errmm...no comment..I trust you
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:23 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal:
i am attracted to oppposite sex.
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Errmm...no comment..I trust you |
and i don't even care if he is from a kahve shop.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:26 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal:
i am attracted to oppposite sex.
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Errmm...no comment..I trust you |
and i don't even care if he is from a kahve shop. |
Even he is from emekliler kiraathanesi?
I sympathize with your desperation.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:26 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AlphaF: Quoting thehandsom: You are cracking me
You are showing the symptoms of loosing a battle here..
I think it is the reason why you are trying punch below the waist. But I would not recommend it either.
You may hurt your hands!
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Forget building talking about others's balls clown..Have a look at your own, when you want to have a real laugh ! |
You are going deeper man..
I would stop if I were you.
And I would really recommend stop lowering the level..
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No matter how much you "crack up"...There will be no "going in deeper". Dont hope for it.
Lowering the level?...Guess who reached up for the balls first, clown?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:29 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: There will be no "going in deeper".
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I can see your desperation man..
You think this is a deep as you can go.
I am feeling sorry now..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:29 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal:
i am attracted to oppposite sex.
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Errmm...no comment..I trust you |
and i don't even care if he is from a kahve shop. |
Even he is from emekliler kiraathanesi?
I sympathize with your desperation. |
as long as he respects me and cares for me and satisfies MY NEEDS.
how easy is that?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:34 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AlphaF: There will be no "going in deeper".
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I can see your desperation man..
You think this is a deep as you can go.
I am feeling sorry now.. |
I cant "go in deeper", for everyone that "cracks up"...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:45 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AlphaF: Quoting SERA_2005: Does anyone else get the feeling that there is quite alot of testosterone being thrown around in this thread? |
She can smell it from miles away... |
If it is true and if she is smelling it..
I am sure it is mine |
Goodness you two boys really are 'full of beans' today.I am not sure whether that is a good thing or not. In my opinion for what its worth Alpha you definately seem like you have something to prove.Whether you are from the left or the right ball i am sure nobody is bothered, you should just be happy you are from any ball at all.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:46 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AlphaF: There will be no "going in deeper".
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I can see your desperation man..
You think this is a deep as you can go.
I am feeling sorry now.. |
I cant "go in deeper", for everyone that "cracks up"... |
Ah..
Silly me!!
This is your new level. AND YOUR REAL LEVEL. eh?
Sorry, I took your guild off.
I have no problems with the copper.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:49 pm |
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Perhaps, you will learn to be silent from now on...or keep your very funny jokes, at a decent level..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:50 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AlphaF: Quoting SERA_2005: Does anyone else get the feeling that there is quite alot of testosterone being thrown around in this thread? |
She can smell it from miles away... |
If it is true and if she is smelling it..
I am sure it is mine |
Goodness you two boys really are 'full of beans' today.I am not sure whether that is a good thing or not. In my opinion for what its worth Alpha you definately seem like you have something to prove.Whether you are from the left or the right ball i am sure nobody is bothered, you should just be happy you are from any ball at all. |
Tell him to stop tickling other people's balls. Can you do that? ))))))))))))))))
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:52 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting portokal:
i am attracted to oppposite sex.
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Errmm...no comment..I trust you |
and i don't even care if he is from a kahve shop. |
Even he is from emekliler kiraathanesi?
I sympathize with your desperation. |
as long as he respects me and cares for me and satisfies MY NEEDS.
how easy is that? |
I hope you wont be disappointed dear portokal. And I hope your NEEDS will be satisfied (but I have doubts!!)
Good luck. (I know, you will need it )
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:53 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AlphaF: Quoting SERA_2005: Does anyone else get the feeling that there is quite alot of testosterone being thrown around in this thread? |
She can smell it from miles away... |
If it is true and if she is smelling it..
I am sure it is mine |
Goodness you two boys really are 'full of beans' today.I am not sure whether that is a good thing or not. In my opinion for what its worth Alpha you definately seem like you have something to prove.Whether you are from the left or the right ball i am sure nobody is bothered, you should just be happy you are from any ball at all. |
Tell him to stop tickling other people's balls. Can you do that? )))))))))))))))) |
Seems to me like your protesting a little too much, maybe you like it? :-S 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:56 pm |
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Sera....You know my favorite can not be his delicate fat hands....But alternatives may be welcome !
You dont want to chat indecent with me....Stop it !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 03:59 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Sera....You know my favorite can not be his delicate fat hands....But alternatives may be welcome !
You dont want to chat indecent with me....Stop it ! |
Well i wish you luck in finding your next victim oops i meant partner.But it certainly ain't gonna be me and i am sure i can speak for thehandsom also that it won't be him!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:00 pm |
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Doesn't everyone come from a ball
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:01 pm |
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Most come from the right ball....Few like me from the left !)))))
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:02 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Perhaps, you will learn to be silent from now on...or keep your very funny jokes, at a decent level.. |
You lost your cool man..
Like a typical turkish boy who lost a fight, you start to swear to your opponent.
tut tut tut..
And I hope this will teach you a lesson and you will be more careful about your writings.
I know you will be..
Lesson is over for you!!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:03 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Most come from the right ball....Few like me from the left !))))) |
Oh please give us a break,we are not bothered which ball you came from just that you are here now,bugging us 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:04 pm |
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I will not miss you fat boy !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:07 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting AlphaF: Most come from the right ball....Few like me from the left !))))) |
Oh please give us a break,we are not bothered which ball you came from just that you are here now,bugging us |
That is it!...That is where buggers come from!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:08 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I will not miss you fat boy ! |
I admire your imagination man..fat boy..heh?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:09 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting AlphaF: Most come from the right ball....Few like me from the left !))))) |
Oh please give us a break,we are not bothered which ball you came from just that you are here now,bugging us |
That is it!...That is where buggers come from! |
You wouldnt be laughing if you know what bugger meant!
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:17 pm |
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I dont give a damn!...nothing you can call me, has any significance.
BTW, I strongly doubt if you would stand a chance, in competition against me, in an English language/literature exam, dear !
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 04:41 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: I dont give a damn!...nothing you can call me, has any significance.
BTW, I strongly doubt if you would stand a chance, in competition against me, in an English language/literature exam, dear ! |
No no of course you don't give a damn 'dear' thats why you feel the need to keep replying to me.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 05:02 pm |
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a high prtotest from istanbul Univertsty Senate today about the efforts for headscarfe freedom,how can be an acedemican or intellectual stranger her/his own culture with a full library,interesting really?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 05:13 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: The difference between you and me....You will never understand or know... |
The old man is awake and speaking his nonsense again...why dont you and your "new toy" run off and play...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:15 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting AlphaF: The difference between you and me....You will never understand or know... |
The old man is awake and speaking his nonsense again...why dont you and your "new toy" run off and play... |
You are making a jack ass of yourself again...
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:16 pm |
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Where did the phrase "jack ass" come from?
Anyone know?
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:21 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Where did the phrase "jack ass" come from?
Anyone know? |
Not sure but it is a quality phrase and its nice to see it being reintroduced.
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:22 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris:
... even if one of you get broken |
so true 
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:48 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: The difference between you and me....You will never understand or know... |
Well..If It was me, after today, I would never come here..
And if you come, IT WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE between you and me. And you will KNOW it.
I started to feel sorry for you too..
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:57 pm |
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you touched too many balls today, funny fat boy
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31 Jan 2008 Thu 11:58 pm |
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Fight?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:03 am |
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He is crazy about my father's left ball?
What is your diagnosis Dr AEnigma?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:05 am |
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My diagnosis is that insults are what the uneducated resort to when they have nothing left to say in an argument, so I am rather surprised to see it
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:06 am |
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You showed your difference man..
pity really!!
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:08 am |
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Dr. AEnigma,
Very well....If you say so...
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:09 am |
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You feel free to insult others...but start crying like a little girl, when you get what you deserve..
Get lost!
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:13 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Fight? |
A fight?
Not really.. I cant fight a person when i feel pity about..Not my style!!
It was just a 'taming' day for me.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:18 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AEnigma III: Fight? |
A fight?
Not really.. I cant fight a person when i feel pitty about..Not my style!!
It was just a 'taming' day for me. |
Go play with your balls !
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:20 am |
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No face, no honour..
That is the difference really..tut tut
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:29 am |
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Are you back, again?
Lost you marbles?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:32 am |
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you are a redefinition of turkish MEN ya..
You were never one. were you?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:43 am |
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I am Turkish alright !
I dont know what the hell you are...but no Turkish man of your age reaches out for the balls of a man who died 10 years ago (even as a joke) - and expects to be considered funny - or even human !
Do you understand this fat little boy?
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:45 am |
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Aflo, stop insulting people, or you may disappear! 
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:47 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Do you understand this fat little boy? |
Fat? I thought you went jogging H?
Hairy yes, but fat? Can this be true? And little?
Am picturing a wombat now.....
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:49 am |
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Alpha you brought up the ball thing, so do you think it was funny then?
I'm sure most of us didn't find it funny at all...much too graphic 
You shouldn't throw out insults when you can't take them back
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:51 am |
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No, I did not bring up the ball thing...He was interested in mine first...then my father's..
It may be his favorite fantasy !
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:55 am |
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thehandsom used in a political context, that's how it reads anyway.
All respect for you not to want this kind of thing mentioned but then why let it go so far yani
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 12:59 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Fat? I thought you went jogging H?
Hairy yes, but fat? Can this be true? And little?
Am picturing a wombat now..... |
Handsom you need to confirm or deny if this is a paparazzi photo of you jogging in the park this morning!
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:00 am |
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hmmm what?
did we arrive?
aaa nooo we are still at the same place! long way to go
pffff 
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:14 am |
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Quoting azade: thehandsom used in a political context, that's how it reads anyway.
All respect for you not to want this kind of thing mentioned but then why let it go so far yani |
I told him to cut it out and get lost, long ago !
You ladies need not worry, I think he has got the message in my last post !
I apologize for my own crude language ...
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:19 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: I told him to cut it out and get lost, long ago !
You ladies need not worry, I think he has got the message in my last post ! |
We do not worry, we just thought you didn't get it. But I think it's pointless to try to do it, because you probably never will. :-S
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:22 am |
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Tamam sen bilirsin, konuyu bırakalım bence
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:25 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AlphaF: I told him to cut it out and get lost, long ago !
You ladies need not worry, I think he has got the message in my last post ! |
We do not worry, we just thought you didn't get it. But I think it's pointless to try to do it, because you probably never will. :-S |
I did not actually include you among the ladies, dear!
No hard feelings !
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:30 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: I did not actually include you among the ladies, dear!
No hard feelings ! |
Oh true... well i just wanted to help you out canim and explain what THOSE ladies were talking about... I hope you do appreciate!
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:31 am |
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That is fine...Thank you so much, dear !
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 01:36 am |
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I just found the topic very unflattering.. :-S
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 02:13 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: hmmm what?
did we arrive?
aaa nooo we are still at the same place! long way to go
pffff |
Yes Sui, we are still on this nauseating ride that, it seems, will NEVER end! Each must get in the last word but that can never be so it will go on through eternity.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 02:18 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting SuiGeneris: hmmm what?
did we arrive?
aaa nooo we are still at the same place! long way to go
pffff |
Yes Sui, we are still on this nauseating ride that, it seems, will NEVER end! Each must get in the last word but that can never be so it will go on through eternity.
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It seems that the ones leading this ride went to sleep, so this is just a short stop, but dont worry..once they wake up the ride will continue
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 02:28 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting SuiGeneris: hmmm what?
did we arrive?
aaa nooo we are still at the same place! long way to go
pffff |
Yes Sui, we are still on this nauseating ride that, it seems, will NEVER end! Each must get in the last word but that can never be so it will go on through eternity.
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I think you are right..
I AM a gentelman and I will let this go and dont come back to this topic unless there is a strong indication I should..
I see no point from my side to apologise as I dont think my language was vulgar.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 02:33 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I think you are right..
I AM a gentelman and I will let this go and dont come back to this topic unless there is a strong indication I should..
I see no point from my side to apologise as I dont think my language was vulgar.
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Thank you handsom for taking the right step to stop the nonsense. It is a wise man who knows when it's time to walk away.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 03:44 am |
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Quote: Quoting portokal: Quoting peace train: [if it was to my heart only, to listen to your approaches from now on.
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I am confused (not a difficulty for me )
Did you mean to post your last comment on this thread or was it meant to be a pm? Or perhaps you are teasing? .
I think I need my sleep |
do not be confused.
it was mented to be a pm.
no teasing! (with full meaning but also a play on word teas) |
Is this what you were referring to Portokal? I don't know how my name got linked with your words. Perhaps it was during your attempt to reduce the size of the quotes from the post in which I quoted 2 of your posts. No deliberate action intended I'm sure.
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01 Feb 2008 Fri 09:39 pm |
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I have decided to lock this thread. It was bleeding dead anyway, and started to get filled with useless insulting comments.
Let's agree to disagree and stop throwing stones at each other.
Another point: It would be really nice if members would keep their opinions under their own name. No harm in helping others with English, but it is rather weak to just take over others opinions or need someone to 'promote' your opinions. Let's keep it all clear and simple and publish your own ideas under your own name.
DK
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