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A Feminist Islamic Reform in Turkey
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 09:22 am |
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Quoting adonis: why the foreign people in this site are generally very interested in Turkey's internal problems? i wonder quite a lot. just like this topic, turban problem etc...
interesting... |
Are you also inteested? Why dont you talk about their countries too?
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:03 am |
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Quoting adonis:
I absolutely don't feel special. Everybody should consider or mind their own motherland's internal problems. i feel that there's a tendency to make fun of and to gossip the problems of Turkey instead of living or having a holiday in here. these kind of tendencies can occur some misuderstandings.
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Actually, I believe most people here got interested in Turkey because they went on holiday there (or fell in love with a Turk). See, some people go on holiday and see just the beaches, resorts and folklore sold in street-stalls. However, others get interested in the country - economy, politics and religion. This Forum is for people like this, we have a genuine interest in your country. If we laugh or are being sarcastic about some aspects of it, it is merely because how we perceive it from our perspective. Don't worry though, it won't stop us from having a holiday there 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:49 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Roswitha: "Women are imperfect in intellect and religion."
"The best of women are those who are like sheep."
"If a woman doesn't satisfy her husband's desires, she should choose herself a place in hell."
"If a husband's body is covered with pus and his wife licks it clean, she still wouldn't have paid her dues."
"Your prayer will be invalid if a donkey, black dog or a woman passes in front of you." |
If islam REALLY has these phrases in its dogma/religious text... than I'm at a loss of words to describe how hideous it is. I cannot imagine why any woman would follow such a religion.  |
Certainly true Islam does not contain such terms and chatter. This tendentious work and people with weak hearts to distort Islam ,so Muslim intellectuals have long argued that the hadiths should be revised
so please do not ratify anything Saying about Islam only after ascertaining 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:03 pm |
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It is a very interesting article indeed. And also, because it is coming from that particular writer, it makes it a bit important and I think, it should be taken seriously!
He is right about all those rubbish Hadiths of course and the need for reform in islam itself.
But what is I dont agree in his writing is that he thinks, somehow, a 'real islam' is the answer. And the secularism is not. And he does not have courage to go into non democratic values of Islam itself!! He does not want to extend his reforms into into basic writings in Koran ie equality between women and men, all those kaffir things, hand choppings etc.
He is avoiding the real problems and trying to prove that islam (consequently sheria) and open democratic socity can exist. A kind of mild version of islam which could be an example for all extremist middle east regimes. (And it reminds me a USA plan for the middle east in which Turkey is assigned a mild version of Islam).
But the thing is Sheria and democracy cant live together.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:30 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Roswitha: "Women are imperfect in intellect and religion."
"The best of women are those who are like sheep."
"If a woman doesn't satisfy her husband's desires, she should choose herself a place in hell."
"If a husband's body is covered with pus and his wife licks it clean, she still wouldn't have paid her dues."
"Your prayer will be invalid if a donkey, black dog or a woman passes in front of you." |
Whoever said this is either mentally ill or is/was one of the most hateful creatures ever.
If islam REALLY has these phrases in its dogma/religious text... than I'm at a loss of words to describe how hideous it is. I cannot imagine why any woman would follow such a religion. |
Any intelligent person can immediately understand, these could not have been said by a moslem.
What are stupid missionaries for? To make up this sort of gross lies.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:52 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: "Your prayer will be invalid if a donkey, black dog or a woman passes in front of you."
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This is outrageous!!! 
What an INSULT to donkeys and black dogs!!! Grrrrrrrrr!
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:53 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF:
Any intelligent person can immediately understand, these could not have been said by a moslem.
What are stupid missionaries for? To make up this sort of gross lies. |
true, the first statement. i admit your IQ to be high to recognise that moslems wouldnt speak of their bad sides, they always try to hide defending blindly.
second, these are not lies. in your country women are deeply humiliated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMylM8gBbkA
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:58 pm |
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women rights only problem of Turkey???there are planty female slavery samples on all world ,isn't it?and millions little girls in the sex traps and in the paw of drugs on all over world,isn't that bigger problem then Turkey's??
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:01 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: women rights only problem of Turkey???there are planty female slavery samples on all world ,isn't it? |
mrx, be a man, and stand up for those women! dont poke at women in other countries! this is not a solution for those women in your country.
honor killings mostly 99% happen in muslim communities.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:05 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
This is outrageous!!!
What an INSULT to donkeys and black dogs!!! Grrrrrrrrr! |
exactly my thought! 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:06 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting MrX67: women rights only problem of Turkey???there are planty female slavery samples on all world ,isn't it? |
mrx, be a man, and stand up for those women! dont poke at women in other countries! this is not a solution for those women in your country.
honor killings mostly 99% happen in muslim communities.
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