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A Feminist Islamic Reform in Turkey
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:03 pm |
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It sounds to me like a bunch of Turkish cranky pants men don't like women talking about freedom or lack of freedom. I guess we hit a nerve ladies...our work is done. All we have to do now is sit back and watch them prove our point.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:07 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: It sounds to me like a bunch of Turkish cranky pants men don't like women talking about freedom or lack of freedom. I guess we hit a nerve ladies...our work is done. All we have to do now is sit back and watch them prove our point. |
So wise...
+100000000 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:08 pm |
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Quoting adonis:
aspersions to Turkey and Turkish people... go on ladies go on... |
Thank you for allowing us to continue. Seems you had little choice doesn't it. 
Personally, I am dying to see your response to my earlier question of you....that you seem to have missed....you know....post 8, page 1 of this thread....earthquakes....disaster aid....ringing any bells here? 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:15 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: It sounds to me like a bunch of Turkish cranky pants men don't like women talking about freedom or lack of freedom. I guess we hit a nerve ladies...our work is done. All we have to do now is sit back and watch them prove our point. |
But what fun is it to sit back when we can push buttons!?!?
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:04 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: It is a very interesting article indeed. And also, because it is coming from that particular writer, it makes it a bit important and I think, it should be taken seriously!
He is right about all those rubbish Hadiths of course and the need for reform in islam itself.
But what is I dont agree in his writing is that he thinks, somehow, a 'real islam' is the answer. And the secularism is not. And he does not have courage to go into non democratic values of Islam itself!! He does not want to extend his reforms into into basic writings in Koran ie equality between women and men, all those kaffir things, hand choppings etc.
He is avoiding the real problems and trying to prove that islam (consequently sheria) and open democratic socity can exist. A kind of mild version of islam which could be an example for all extremist middle east regimes. (And it reminds me a USA plan for the middle east in which Turkey is assigned a mild version of Islam).
But the thing is Sheria and democracy cant live together.
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My question is simple...since Islam is the "word of God"...can it really be reformed? If you truely believe that the Koran came straight from God how can there be any hope of a kinder gentler Koran? In my opinion...Islam is not redeemable. It is immutable and unchangeable. You either love it....or leave it. |
Use of the word "reform" in relation to a perfect concept like islam would not be correct.
Though Quran is a divine guide book designed for all times, it can not be expected to include minute details and guidance on every possible situation.
It would have been nice if a wise and knowledgeble committe of scholars met from time to time and elaborated on cases where a direct reference in Quran can not be found by the layman.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:08 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AlphaF:
Any intelligent person can immediately understand, these could not have been said by a moslem.
What are stupid missionaries for? To make up this sort of gross lies. |
true, the first statement. i admit your IQ to be high to recognise that moslems wouldnt speak of their bad sides, they always try to hide defending blindly.
second, these are not lies. in your country women are deeply humiliated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMylM8gBbkA |
Look at it this way, many women from your country are looking for lost love and respect in Turkia, mainly because they cant find it in their own country.
We are trying to make them all happy ! 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:30 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF:
Look at it this way, many women from your country are looking for lost love and respect in Turkia, mainly because they cant find it in their own country.
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what?
i heard the other stories about our lost women in turkia, who married turkish men and never returned to their families.
their families were worried and asked turkish families to help to find and see those ladies. unfortunately it never happent to some. 
Quoting AlphaF:
We are trying to make them all happy !
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is this how you make them happy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfprqm_QcKk
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:38 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: is this how you make them happy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfprqm_QcKk
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:38 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: is this how you make them happy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfprqm_QcKk
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fucking monsters.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:41 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: is this how you make them happy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfprqm_QcKk
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fucking monsters. |
the most shocking part is that the other woman seems to be helping the men! you're right...mucking fonsters! (sorry, I don't like to curse)
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:44 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: is this how you make them happy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfprqm_QcKk
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fucking monsters. |
the most shocking part is that the other woman seems to be helping the men! you're right...mucking fonsters! (sorry, I don't like to curse) |
and that woman will have no right to leave him or to complain about it !!!
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