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A Feminist Islamic Reform in Turkey
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 05:23 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: It is a very interesting article indeed. And also, because it is coming from that particular writer, it makes it a bit important and I think, it should be taken seriously!
He is right about all those rubbish Hadiths of course and the need for reform in islam itself.
But what is I dont agree in his writing is that he thinks, somehow, a 'real islam' is the answer. And the secularism is not. And he does not have courage to go into non democratic values of Islam itself!! He does not want to extend his reforms into into basic writings in Koran ie equality between women and men, all those kaffir things, hand choppings etc.
He is avoiding the real problems and trying to prove that islam (consequently sheria) and open democratic socity can exist. A kind of mild version of islam which could be an example for all extremist middle east regimes. (And it reminds me a USA plan for the middle east in which Turkey is assigned a mild version of Islam).
But the thing is Sheria and democracy cant live together.
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My question is simple...since Islam is the "word of God"...can it really be reformed? If you truely believe that the Koran came straight from God how can there be any hope of a kinder gentler Koran? In my opinion...Islam is not redeemable. It is immutable and unchangeable. You either love it....or leave it.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 05:26 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Lapinkulta: to help people who need translation etc... |
hes helping dudus |
I guess he is saying that this site is meant for people who go on vacation and screw waiters and not for people trying to understand the ancient reasons for hate between east and west? Hummmm.....this is interesting.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 06:18 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I guess he is saying that this site is meant for people who go on vacation and screw waiters and not for people trying to understand the ancient reasons for hate between east and west? Hummmm.....this is interesting.
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That is not the only reason silly 
It is also so they can comfort those poor girls when they split from their dudus  
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 06:38 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: I guess he is saying that this site is meant for people who go on vacation and screw waiters and not for people trying to understand the ancient reasons for hate between east and west? Hummmm.....this is interesting.
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That is not the only reason silly
It is also so they can comfort those poor girls when they split from their dudus |
Ohh....I see, improving relations between east and west...He is providing a service to his fellow man (woman). I am silly...I thought he was just being a killjoy!
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 07:25 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Lapinkulta: why these stupid racist and anti-islamist women here anymore, catwoman and Femme_fatal?...stop attackting muslims and Turks here in TC.This site is for Turkish learners not for your discussions... |
I am not going to say anything about catwoman but I think she owns the site. But about femme_fatal.
We wanted her here man!!
I believe, she is a good counter-balance for Turkish racists. |
Why aren't you going to say anything about me?  I also deserve some compliments for my hard work! You bed boy, I'll take revenge... 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 07:33 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: why these stupid racist and anti-islamist women here anymore, catwoman and Femme_fatal?...stop attackting muslims and Turks here in TC.This site is for Turkish learners not for your discussions... |
lapi, looks like you're pretty pissed at the moment. whether it's your monthly mood swings or some other strange reason, I suggest you take a rest, drink some hot chocolate, watch "babam ve oglum" and the mood swing should go away. if it still doesn't, let us know. we'll look for other solutions.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 07:33 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Lapinkulta: why these stupid racist and anti-islamist women here anymore, catwoman and Femme_fatal?...stop attackting muslims and Turks here in TC.This site is for Turkish learners not for your discussions... |
I am not going to say anything about catwoman but I think she owns the site. But about femme_fatal.
We wanted her here man!!
I believe, she is a good counter-balance for Turkish racists. |
Why aren't you going to say anything about me? I also deserve some compliments for my hard work! You bed boy, I'll take revenge... |
I thought, bosses dont require compliments..That is all..
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 07:34 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Lapinkulta: why these stupid racist and anti-islamist women here anymore, catwoman and Femme_fatal?...stop attackting muslims and Turks here in TC.This site is for Turkish learners not for your discussions... |
lapi, looks like you're pretty pissed at the moment. whether it's your monthly mood swings or some other strange reason, I suggest you take a rest, drink some hot chocolate, watch "babam ve oglum" and the mood swing should go away. if it still doesn't, let us know. we'll look for other solutions. |
Can we wax him? 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 07:38 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I thought, bosses dont require compliments..That is all.. |
bosses also want compliments! 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 07:40 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Can we wax him? |
Hahahah, you evil Elisabeth, you are reading my mind... I was trying to be polite and help the guy out... you know, I wouldn't say it to him, that he may find himself hairless one morning...
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 08:26 pm |
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there is a need to say these ideas. well, it is obvious to say that catwoman and Roswitha are the most speculative members of this site. i have no tendency to accuse them but it is very apparent.
1- catwoman always gives speculative and not fundamental comments to the topics of the forum, and she's not sincere and not behind her ideas/comments.
2- she acts like the admin of this site and owns it. whenever i enter here, i always face her absurd comments about Turkey's internal problems. the comments of her are generally the reflection of Feminism. essentially, she identifies herself as a feminist, but does she know that she's so ridiculous?
3- why doesn't she mind her own motherland's problems? why is she so interested in Turkey's sociological traits? how did she take the right of making ridiculous and absurd comments about Turkey? is she a colonist or agent? i wonder quite a lot... hasn't she any other job? she is always here, why?
4- Roswitha always copies and pastes the articles of Mustafa Akyol from Turkish Daily News. Why? who is Mustafa Akyol? Quasi, there is nobody to learn, to have perception about Turkey in the world. Mustafa Akyol is a supporter of Islamic politicy and AKP and he is supported by USA to destruct and making wrong and absurd identifications about Turkey. He also rejects secularism and Kemalist politicy. He is a Neo-Islamic man in Turkey and most of Turkish people call these kind of men as "arse-licker". These kind of men always act for their advantages, benefits. when AKP became the government of Turkey, they created their own comprador intellectuals and society. Mustafa Akyol is one of them in this group.
for example: this article is a nice example of Mustafa Akyol to strenghten my argument.
http://www.radikal.com.tr/haber.php?haberno=202736
5- It's no use copying and pasting the articles of these kind of authors, Mustafa Akyol. it is ridiculous. there are many authors in Turkey who give right information, to share observations and fair comments about Turkey's problems.
if u like Turkey, you have to show respect to Turkey and Turkish people and don't make absurd comments, don't interfere the internal subjects of Turkey, and don't read fake articles about Turkey...
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