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3970.       teaschip
3870 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 02:36 am

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

my..........you live such a sheltered life....

 

I guess this is the new Cali lingo that hasn´t yet hit our area.Big smile

3971.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 03:23 am

Very well said alameda, it seems this poor european guy is not clever enough to interpret this motto, but i think it is intetionally, anyway; It is "Happy is the one who says i am Turk"  not "Happy is the one who is Turk", there is difference, and the ones who are disturbed from this, are absolutely disturbed from Turkish citizenship as well. I read this in a newspaper yesterday, i usually do not read the readers comment but this time i decided to read and i have to say big percentage of comments are rightminded

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

............and a Caucasian is a white person.....????? It´s a pecularity of linguistics....and some exploit it for different reasons.  Maybe we should call countries by numeric formulas?

 

There seems to be a trend now to define countries by a single ethnicity...silly.........nobody is pure anything.....we are all related.

 

If you have not noticed the English have quite a varied look....because they are a mix of different tribes...

same is true of the Germanic groups...Saxons, Teuton, Franks............and on and on..... Then there are the Celts.....

 

You are falling into a trap.....Turk is both a nationality......and an ethnic derivation.............as is a Pole an ethnic derivation and a nationality name....like a Caucasian....and it goes on and on.....you make it a big deal....what do you want to do....rename the country?

 

 

3972.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 11:56 am

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

............and a Caucasian is a white person.....????? It´s a pecularity of linguistics....and some exploit it for different reasons.  Maybe we should call countries by numeric formulas?

 

There seems to be a trend now to define countries by a single ethnicity...silly.........nobody is pure anything.....we are all related.

 

If you have not noticed the English have quite a varied look....because they are a mix of different tribes...

same is true of the Germanic groups...Saxons, Teuton, Franks............and on and on..... Then there are the Celts.....

 

You are falling into a trap.....Turk is both a nationality......and an ethnic derivation.............as is a Pole an ethnic derivation and a nationality name....like a Caucasian....and it goes on and on.....you make it a big deal....what do you want to do....rename the country?

I think you are the one falling into trap..

First of all what is said up there is "racist"!!

I am not the only one thinking that, even one of the ministers voiced her concerns..Many writers in many newspapers are saying the same thing.

And it would not matter if I was alone or not either. It would not change the racism in andimiz(our oath)..

We have non-Turks in our country and It is a shame to make them say those words..

It is like Greeks forcing Turkish childeren to say ´ how happy to say I am Greek´. Or Germans forcing Turkish childeren to say ´how happy to say I am German´ ..

And you have to be really BLIND not to see that..

I dont think I am the one making a big dealout of it..On the contrary, I would be a really happy person if our racists elements are plained off..

Nope..we are not going to change the name of the country..

But I am sure racists mottos (and racist understandings) will have to go..

You trust me on that!!

And they will go..

They are already going anyway..People are talking; people are questioning; people are realizing how racist we have been; people are realising what we were told were lies;they dont believe in -western supported terrorism type of rubbish- any more for example..

 

 

3973.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 12:09 pm

 

Quoting armegon

Very well said alameda, it seems this poor european guy is not clever enough to interpret this motto, but i think it is intetionally, anyway; It is "Happy is the one who says i am Turk"  not "Happy is the one who is Turk", there is difference, and the ones who are disturbed from this, are absolutely disturbed from Turkish citizenship as well. I read this in a newspaper yesterday, i usually do not read the readers comment but this time i decided to read and i have to say big percentage of comments are rightminded

 

 

 

 

Yours is simply frustration lol

Because almost everything I said a year or before were true and with the time, you see and hear more of very similar things in Turkey. That does not  makes you feel very good I guess..

 

 

 

3974.       alameda
3499 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 05:18 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Yours is simply frustration lol

Because almost everything I said a year or before were true and with the time, you see and hear more of very similar things in Turkey. That does not  makes you feel very good I guess..

 

 

 

..........as long as there are nations, there will be declarations and pledges.....


I wonder....is this something along the lines of your thinking?

 

"...........The criticism of the Pledge of Allegiance of the United States exists on several grounds. Its use in public schools has been the most controversial, as critics contend that a government-sanctioned endorsement of religion violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Critics feel that that the pledge is incompatible with democracy and freedom, and suggest that pledges of allegiance are features of totalitarian states like Nazi Germany."

 

"Libertarians, Socialists, and Communists generally oppose on principle pledges led by government employees in public schools, as a conflict in interest by the government and as exploitation of children. By contrast, some also believe that the "liberty" clause binds citizens to uphold libertarian beliefs and thus to oppose conscription, drug regulation and other measures which might be considered authoritarian. They also hold the view that the use of the "indivisible" clause promotes nationalism and violates State sovereignty."

 

3975.       teaschip
3870 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 05:31 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

..........as long as there are nations, there will be declarations and pledges.....


I wonder....is this something along the lines of your thinking?

 

"...........The criticism of the Pledge of Allegiance of the United States exists on several grounds. Its use in public schools has been the most controversial, as critics contend that a government-sanctioned endorsement of religion violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Critics feel that that the pledge is incompatible with democracy and freedom, and suggest that pledges of allegiance are features of totalitarian states like Nazi Germany."

 

"Libertarians, Socialists, and Communists generally oppose on principle pledges led by government employees in public schools, as a conflict in interest by the government and as exploitation of children. By contrast, some also believe that the "liberty" clause binds citizens to uphold libertarian beliefs and thus to oppose conscription, drug regulation and other measures which might be considered authoritarian. They also hold the view that the use of the "indivisible" clause promotes nationalism and violates State sovereignty."

 

 

   It does not force anyone to declare they are a specific nationality, in which they are not.  It emphasizes that we are one nation!  Most people find that it unifies us but not divides us.    I don´t see the comparison at all.

3976.       teaschip
3870 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 05:39 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I think you are the one falling into trap..

First of all what is said up there is "racist"!!

I am not the only one thinking that, even one of the ministers voiced her concerns..Many writers in many newspapers are saying the same thing.

And it would not matter if I was alone or not either. It would not change the racism in andimiz(our oath)..

We have non-Turks in our country and It is a shame to make them say those words..

It is like Greeks forcing Turkish childeren to say ´ how happy to say I am Greek´. Or Germans forcing Turkish childeren to say ´how happy to say I am German´ ..

And you have to be really BLIND not to see that..

I dont think I am the one making a big dealout of it..On the contrary, I would be a really happy person if our racists elements are plained off..

Nope..we are not going to change the name of the country..

But I am sure racists mottos (and racist understandings) will have to go..

You trust me on that!!

And they will go..

They are already going anyway..People are talking; people are questioning; people are realizing how racist we have been; people are realising what we were told were lies;they dont believe in -western supported terrorism type of rubbish- any more for example..

 

 

 

I totally agree with you on this one...If I´m not a Turk but going to school in Turkey, I certainly would not recite this.  It makes absolutely no sense...What the hell!  I don´t see a problem honoring their country..but the terminology does need to change to embrace all people living there.

3977.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 05:46 pm

Normal for traitors to be disturbed from what i wrote, we have lots of them throughout the history.

The ones who are Turkish citizens, are called Turks(Turkish constitution law 66). And the motto represents the cultural and historical union of the one who are living on the lands of Turkey.

 

And here is your frustration ;

Quoting thehandsom

 

And it would not matter if I was alone or not either. It would not change the racism in andimiz(our oath)... 

 

Atatürk is racist as well, below is your another frustration <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Xn6bFAwxo

3978.       teaschip
3870 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 08:00 pm

I´m hoping Brazil has the chance to hold the olympics.  It would be nice for South America to hold the summer olympics for the first time.

3979.       _AE_
677 posts
 03 Oct 2009 Sat 12:37 pm


 


Designers of a bra that turns into gas masks and a team who found that named cows produce more milk were among the winners of the 2009 Ig Nobel prizes.


 


The aim of the awards is to honour achievements that "first make people laugh and then make them think".


The peace prize went to a Swiss research team who determined whether it is better to be hit over the head with a full or empty bottle of beer.


The ceremony was organised by the magazine Annals of Improbable Research.


lollollol



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8285380.stm


3980.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Oct 2009 Sat 03:02 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

I´m hoping Brazil has the chance to hold the olympics.  It would be nice for South America to hold the summer olympics for the first time.

 

 Great news for Brazil!!

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