Quoting Saskia1970:

Am I the only poster here who is in favor of an independent Kurdistan? Or am I just the only poster who dares to say this out loud?

Quoting vineyards:

According to Washington Times PKK is directly linked with the murders of 40 thousand people which is 13 times more than the number of lives lost to terrorism.

Turkey offered political solution by way of declaring amnesty to terrorists who promised to give up their arms. The same article signed by Bruce Fein states that 80% of all the heroin illegaly marketed in France is smuggled into the country by the PKK.

There is actually nothing to get surprized about this. We remember Ms. Mitterand who declared herself the guardian angel of Kurds, aiding at legalizing the presence of terrorists in her country. When they found out that militants would actually want to use their country as a base for illegal drug trafficking among many other mafia type crimes, they began complaining of it.

Those 40 thousand people who lost their lives were the policemen, soldiers, teachers and doctors working in the region. I have spoken to hundreds of them in the last 20 years. They kept saying: 'These Kurds treat us as friends in the daytime and fire bullets at us at night.'

My own aunt told me they took cover under a couch when the terrorists opened fire in the general direction of their house on several occasions. Their windows would be broken and there were bullet holes everywhere on their walls with small kids petrified in the middle of these appalling incidents. She told me such attacks became a routine part of their lives and that several times, they survived those attacks by narrow escapes. My uncle-in-law lost his life when he was fighting PKK terrorists. He was asking the terrorists to surrender on the megaphoe when he was shot in the forehead.

We still have people among us who claim that Turks oppress Kurds. Just youtube to find out what American police does to stop smugglers infiltrating into their soil. If the people in Azade's town are all victims, who are killing all those 40 thousand people for God's sake. Who is sheltering them? Who is secretly supporting them? Only a kid would believe that all these are happening without the involvement of large groups of Kurds. There are on the other hand peaceful Kurds as well. As a matter of fact, we should single out those and refer separately to Kurds as an ethnic group. We really wanted to do this many times in the past. All those amnesties did not produce results. This opportunistic group would like to see Turkey become a second Iraq. We will not allow this. This is not nationalism, this is patriotism.

When September 11th incidents took place an enermous wave of nationalism spreaded all accross America. Everyone including myself condemned the terrorists then. Where is the difference now? Which Kurds killed all those people? what was the reason? Turkish government initiated the largest investment of its own history in GAP which is a multibillion dollar project. The purpose was to turn barren land in the region into arable agricultural area in order to improve the local economy. For many years, Eastern provinces have been given the status of primary investment area where tax immunities and incentives are offered for potential investors. All these have been done to offset the geographical disadvantage caused by the fact that East Turkey is essentially rugged highland terrain with altitudes ranging from 1200-2200 meters-a situating making economic investment in these regions too difficult because of transportation considerations. This is an economic reality which is not easy to deal with for a country with limited resources. Add to that the fact that on several occasions the existing investments are being destroyed by the PKK -a fact which discourages people thinking of investing in the region. Today, certain roads in the region are mined by the terrorist organization. The perpetrators always have food, shelter, weapons and money to be able to perform these terrorists acts.


The PKK has a political extension called DTP. DTP leaders call Turkish military stop bombing PKK camps. They refer to Abdullah Ocalan as their President. DTP Vice President has recently made a statement in which he said, they do not consider the PKK as a terrorist organization...

Azade;
What do you expect from us should we say thank you to Apo for terrorizing our country and costing the lives of 40 thousan people?

Should we grant autonomy to Kurds? Some of them even had claims that this autonomy must be extended to Western provinces where Kurds live in great numbers.

What political solution do you suggest? Or are you looking forward to an economical solution. Should we empty all our pockets and send all our money to East. Did you know that this country suffers from a huge budget deficit for years? Did you know that the government cannot collect money on the services they bring to the region. Tremendous amounts of energy is being stolen in East Turkey, oil and drug smuggling is rampant in the region. There are certainly people benefiting from the chaotic situation there. What do you expect from the government under the circumstances.

Do you think we are very happy with the attitude of the police. We observe that it is getting better gradually. Do we revolt against our country when we are subjected to brutality. We stay here and fight against it. We know that the exact same thing is happening elsewhere in the world too.

Quoting alameda:

Actually I wonder if the PKK is actually a Kurdish organization at all. They seem to cause more damage to the ethnic Kurds than anyone.