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censorship by admins!
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07 Apr 2008 Mon 10:12 pm |
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Quoting KeithL:
Quoting KeithL:
Let me ask a simple question to both of you. Do you think Turkey should give up any of its land for an independent Kurdistan?
Isn't it interesting that these two "free-thinkers" are not brave enough to answer this question!!!
haha
you never ever understood turkish politics and no knowledge at all about our history and culture..
You are embarresing as a mod to Turks here..
Which Turks Thehandsom?
P.S. I forgot to quote as usual.
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07 Apr 2008 Mon 10:20 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Which Turks Thehandsom? |
What's that supposed to mean, Vineyards? 
I can't believe the hatred that's coming from everywhere.
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07 Apr 2008 Mon 10:37 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Come on Catwoman, you rely too much on Wikipedia. There aer international norms governing such matters. The word Turk denotes exactly what the word American does. |
What source would be ok, Vineyards? Is CIA factbook fine?
Ethnic groups: Turkish 80%, Kurdish 20% (estimated)
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07 Apr 2008 Mon 11:52 pm |
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We don't need a source for this. Turkey is a country which has been in existence and recognized as a sovereign nation for a long time. The name of this country is Turkey, its cizitens are called Turks. There are Turks who are ethnically Kurdish, Circassian, Georgian, Greek, Albanian, Lazian, Arabic, Urdu, Polish, Abhazian, Assyrian and you name it. All these people are still Turkish citizens or Turks by nationality and whatever they are ethnically. Turkey is a unitarian country, it is not a federation. There are no multiple nationalities within this country.
None of the ethnic groups claim they are subjected to torture, it is only Kurds who claim so. In the streets they sing praises for Apo the jailed PKK leader by doing so they endorse the acts of the PKK. When they indicate their opinions in platforms like this, they say all they are asking for is improvements but in the streets the discourse changes. As Azade pointed out they chant Biji Kurdistan, biji Apo. Turkish government is responsible to its people. It cannot give away an inch of land to anyone. All the land we have is our common property. You are free to live on it, use it, buy it or do whatever you want with it but you are not free to launch a free Kurdistan on Turkey's soil.
The only way for Kurds to do that is by fighting just like we did when we acquired this land almost one thousand years ago. At that time there was still no Kurdistan here, there was the Byzantine Empire. As a matter of fact, a free Kurdistan has never existed in history. Now, the US is setting up a country for them as part of their A Better Middle East project. This project was realized by a complete disregard of the rights of Arabic and Turkoman populations in Northern Iraq. These people are crying for the land once rightfully belonged to them. The oil goes to the US and the land to the Kurds.
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 12:22 am |
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In which town did this awful event happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2M1t5a5l60&feature=related
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 12:40 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Actually NO, alameda. 'Turkish' person doesn't necessarily mean a citizen of Turkey. According to wikipedia, it's a person whose native language is Turkish (which would exclude Kurds) but also it may refer to the Turkic tribe that migrated from central Asia, in that sense it denotes ethnicity, which is separate from Kurds. |
You see, you are argueing semantics. Read vineyards post again. He really does give a very clear definition of who and what a Turkish citizen is.
The Kurds did not have a homeland and had not even thought about having one prior to WWI. They were nomads. Modern Turkey is comprised of an amalgamation of all the ethnic groups that make it up. This is similar to Germany with the Saxons, Teutons, Gauls, Vandals, Visigoths and all are all German citizens. Do you ever hear anyone calling for a Visigoth country.
Quoting catwoman: When Kurds call themselves Kurds that means that they want a separate country? hahahahahha, this is quite funny actually! |
Actually, that is how it is seen.....and I venture that must who call themselves Kurds are very well aware of that fact. The term Turk was used in Italy for any Muslim, regardless of ethnicity. I knew some people from Sicily, Malta who considered anyone Muslim to be a Turk.
Quoting catwoman: 'Irish American' is simply a politically correct term, unless it's a second, third generation living in the US, a person will not call her/himself Irish-American, but simply Irish. |
A second, third or whatever generation does not simply call themself Irish, German or whatever. The only ones who are Irish or German or whatever are the citizens of Ireland or Germany or whatever country their ancestors came from. They may say they are of XXX extraction.
Quoting catwoman: The problem with Kurds is that Turkey has been trying to suppress their identity, so Kurds are holding on to it even stronger. Nothing strange about it. |
Here is the problem...
Treaty of Sevres
....you see there are some who have not given up on that.
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 01:54 am |
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İ cant believe it !
Do you really demand Türkiye to divide her lands between Turk and Kurd ?!
But Kurd are Turkish!
Should countries divide their lands between whom living in it ?!
So we will see İtalin part ,Chinese part,Japanese part...ect in USA as well ?!
And all of them will be independent ?!!!
Aren't they all americans ?!
İ havent seen USA so far given any part of its land to the Native Americans ,has it ?!
And God knows they deserve it !
Or it wont do any good,but dividing Türkiye has its good sides ?!!!!
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 01:56 am |
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Good to see you back Canım 
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 02:01 am |
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Alemada, thank you for your excellent insights!! (The term Turk was used in Italy for any Muslim, regardless of ethnicity. I knew some people from Sicily, Malta who considered anyone Muslim to be a Turk.)
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 09:14 am |
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in europe u call every turkish citizen, or as alameda said every muslim as "turk" it is not oppression. and none of kurdish pll feel oppressed. whatever they do in europe, europe accuse Turks. BUT in turkey when we call turkish citizens as "turk" it becomes oppression. if ı call them turk, TC members call me as racist
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 09:21 am |
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Quoting janissary: if ı call them turk, TC members call me as racist |
no cnm, it's not that you call them turks, it's that you want to turkish-ise them and force them to deny their kurdish culture and origins. if they call themselves kurds, why don't you respect that? how is that hurting you or your country? 
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