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censorship by admins!
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 04:15 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting CANLI:
Should countries divide their lands between whom living in it ?!
So we will see İtalin part ,Chinese part,Japanese part...ect in USA as well ?!
And all of them will be independent ?!!!
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I see a difference here with the Kurds though... The İtalians, Chinese and Japanese in the US all have independent countries to go back to when they dont like the policy of their new country  The way you say it, we should just divide Russia's population over all countries in the world, they create an independent state, and all of the world is Russian  |
Thank you DK, I have been waiting for someone to post this. On one hand, these Kurds could go live in what will be independent Kurdistan in N. Iraq. But on the other hand, the Kurds there don't want them to come. |
But its not fair to divide İraq also ?!
Stealing their lands just because they are taken over by USA !
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 04:26 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: But on the other hand, the Kurds there don't want them to come. |
This is what makes it all even more complicated.. it is not a homogeneous people, eventhough many people (probably including PKK??) would like to think so!
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 05:03 pm |
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If you think there is conflict in the area now, imagine what it would be like if Turkey was forced to give eastern Turkey away.
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 05:24 pm |
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Dutch Prof.dr Martin van Bruinessen, Dep.Oriental Languages and Cultures,who is a specialist on the Kurdish issue and on the Kurdish people and culture, suggested in a lecture that a semi-autonomous Kurdish state under official government protection of the Turkish Republic could be the sollution..
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 06:06 pm |
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I don't believe a semi-autonomous state is a good solution. Look at semi-autonomous Albanians in Serbia - they got their rights and used them to bite the hand that gave them privileges. The rumour has it that voices in Scotland (that has its own parliament) start to speak about separation from the UK louder and louder. Giving Kurds a semi-autonomous state would result in partition of Turkey.
I believe a policy of investment is needed in the eastern region. Creating infrastructure and education opportunities as well as jobs. Also, the proportion of places in the parliament should mirror ethic divisions in a country (e.g. in Poland the biggest minority (0.4%) are German and they are granted 2 places in the parliament).
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 06:23 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I believe a policy of investment is needed in the eastern region. Creating infrastructure and education opportunities as well as jobs. Also, the proportion of places in the parliament should mirror ethic divisions in a country (e.g. in Poland the biggest minority (0.4%) are German and they are granted 2 places in the parliament). |
+1
I am also in favor of Kurdish education in the 'Kurdistan region' of the east. Im not sure if that exists already, but I think it should be a lesson that students can choose to follow voluntarily, whilst at the same time, ofcourse, attending Turkish language and literature classes in primary and secondary education.
I would like to add too, that including Kurds as a minority, would be a good start! According to the Azınlık raporu, prepared in 2004 (sorry I cant remember well, I received it from my teacher and its not available on internet anymore if Im not mistaken), Kurds are not seen as a minority in Turkey. Armenians, Jews etc are all mentioned, but there is no 'place' for the Kurds. They are probably seen as Turks as well, which is an assimilation that ım sure of many Kurds wont be pleased with.
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 06:44 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I don't believe a semi-autonomous state is a good solution. Look at semi-autonomous Albanians in Serbia - they got their rights and used them to bite the hand that gave them privileges. |
+1 Exactly right
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 07:57 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Dutch Prof.dr Martin van Bruinessen, Dep.Oriental Languages and Cultures,who is a specialist on the Kurdish issue and on the Kurdish people and culture, suggested in a lecture that a semi-autonomous Kurdish state under official government protection of the Turkish Republic could be the sollution.. |
You do realize there are a significant number of people who live there who are not Kurdish, don't you?
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:15 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
You do realize there are a significant number of people who live there who are not Kurdish, don't you? |
I do. I clearly stated that this was Prof van Bruinessen's idea  and not mine.
I just went to his lecture a few months ago and his idea of solution came to my mind. Thought it was worth mentionin because he is really an authority on Kurdish peoples and culture.
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:23 pm |
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I wonder how many turks actually live in south eastern Turkey. In Hakkâri I can't remember having met a person that could not speak kurdish, I'd like to know about other cities. Probably the further west the more dense population of turks.
It's funny that some are so protective of 'their land' but they never dare venture there. They also tend to forget that borders change.
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08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:34 pm |
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Quoting azade: I wonder how many turks actually live in south eastern Turkey. In Hakkâri I can't remember having met a person that could not speak kurdish, I'd like to know about other cities.
in london u rarely meet any ppl who cant speak english as well it is strange they all speak englishall of them must be British |
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