There was a ‘sultan’, queen of her land. She didn’t have a child but she had a close relative named Sirin and she would do anything for Sirin.Sultan decided to make for her a big house. For this house a worker and his son, Ferhat were working for the ornamentation of the walls. One day Sirin and the sultan went to see this work, Sirin saw Ferhat. The moment that they saw each other they fell in love. Then one day Sirin went some place and drank water that tasted marvelous. She wanted to have it in her house but for this someone had to make a hole in the mountain to bring the water. Sultan said: "Whoever can do this, will get from me whatever he wants." Ferhat knew what he wanted and talked with sultan. After so many days he was making a hole in the mountain with the big love of Sirin. Somehow sultan learns the love of Ferhat and Sirin and decides to stop this. She made a plan; she sent him ‘helva’ that was made for Sirin because she died. Ferhat believed this and throw his hand to the mountain. Rocks fell on him and he died, with hearing this Sirin died instantly.

wer the old loves?? i said dis like my granparents..they are always complaining about dis...

of course we know..and we have many persian words in our language...

biz sevdikmi adam gibi severiz etc.

please translate what you said in turkish (ramayan and kadir)

true...i agree with you...but not many men love these days..they just possess... especially with persian and turkish guys,,,they just like to possess(own) someone... not love...love is so much bigger..its wanting the best for u;re girl..wanting her to be happy..not always acting possessive and making her cry..or fight with other guys because of her..thats stupid..not love.. men men men,,sheeesh

hey here we say ''like man'' to express it well

adam gibi yap şu işi ''do this job like man''(do this well)

so here i dont mean just ''MAN'' i know its not true and meaningful when u translate this sentence...but i just tried and its wrong i know..of course if you love someone really ,u cant hurt her,u cant want her sadness,u cant make her sad bcos when she is sad this make u feel worse than her...kicking someone for her,slapping her face for love,making her cry,making her beg this is nonsense childish things....

adam gibi seveceksin
( i think aslan will hate this sentence...bcos she is our lovely feminist)

actually your sentence should be opposite ramayan.. because women do everything much better than men..

women love the way love is suppose to be,,as you said..hey dont make him cry..or kick other girls for him..or slap his face... we are not selfish..men are selfish..and jelous..when u love u cannot be jelous.. plus..women are open to accepting different thinkings..but with men everything has to be in their way.. men are little babies.(no offence..just reality)

in your dreams sweety

ohh..sorry... ya.. true.. ignore my last post

Kelebek,
if you're not satisfied with turkish and persian men anymore, i recommed you to only be with your girlfriends!
i think you said enough about your strange thoughts for men. and it is not honest to generalize both men and women.
everybody has a different character.
those frequently repeated comments of yours don't suit to the meaning of today!
Happy women's day to all of the women in the world!
You are the crowns on our heads!

Talking to Barkin and Sophie.. next time read things carefully please........ if u can ...

I never said turkish men have gayish personality... is it my english.. or yours.... as a matter of fact... i believe persian and Turkish men are far from gayish...they are the most manly men.... if you go back i said they find it gay to be sweet to their girl or please them...
this means they have a toooooo too manly personality.. so i think you owe me some sort of apology.... thank u..

dude..kelebek..please they may misunderstand u...its hard not to agree with u...i think they have problem to show their love...they dont like showing...anyway...dont be angry dude calm down

trust me i am not angry...

but i should make some people aware of reading carefully..


its not important for me!

cheerz

Don't stain your hands with blood SOPHIE! I'll get the job to cut throats
Kelebek,
You read carefully.. I didn't say you wrote gayish for turkish men. If i believed that you did, my reaction would be sharper. I just didn't like your style to criticise men - especially turkish & persian.

....hehehe...i critisize if i want...

but i chose not too..

and yes you did say about gayish behavior..because sophie said..and you agreed,,,

anyway.......i have much more important things to think off....you guys go ahead cutting plastic throats

thank you ramayan for your very civilized and manly message

Ramayan,
she made her comments and i did mine..so what's wrong with it? be a mad-blooded for a second
Kelebek,
manly man - womanly woman..it takes you nowhere!
the correct form shall be "to be human - or humanly human..whatever it is correctly"
so you see, you're thanking to a man and he is turkish.
think twice before criticising. it's a paradox, and nobody needs your repeatations.

It's really hard to discuss on a forum like this if you are not allowed to generalize things. You just need to remember there are always differences.

I think about the possessing-thing, this is definitely true for many turkish men. On the other hand, i think turkish men love much stronger than many others. I really start to believe Istanbul is the heart of the world and that turkey's culture is built strong upon love.

Something else, i think the best man is the man that is somehwere in between the manly man and the gayish man (gayish as in kelebek's posts).
I think love makes strong (manly), but also weak ('gayish'). I don't like the word gayish too much though..

In the love i feel myself (because i think most theories count for both women and men), i sometimes feel like a woman, sometimes like a girl. I think it's good if a man feels like a man, a strong man, that protects you, most of the time, and that he sometimes feels like a silly little boy in your arms. You must have both sides, weakness and strongness, too much of one of them will kill..

canim.... my father is turk.. hehehe.. baba..u have woke up from wrong side today Bark... but u have a point..it doesnt take u anywhere...

peace to u

Let's end the useless discussion anyhow Language is a too beautiful thing to be spoilt on useless words and points. No hard feelings is the last thing I'd like to say about it

Btw, is that Ferhat and Sirin a true happened story? It sounds like a reproduction on Romeo and Juliet Or Shakespear stole it from you guys

smartly said Deli-kizin...

very smartly said..

thank u..

true..maybe gayish is a wrong word ,but gayish is a saying in english..it doesnt mean gay!!!!!

It's a completely true story....it happened in iran..and the evidence is still there.. its beautiful aint it?

i have gone to the place...

Sorry did you mean Gayish as in happy?

I only know the meaning of gay as in

1) homosexual
2) happy

Wow that's really a beautiful story then I hope to visit Iran one day too. One of my closest friends is from Iran, she still speaks Farsi at home. I'm really fascinated by it and i would love to see the country one day. But my first aim is to discover Türkiye, which will take me quite some time

Kelebek,
1. i'm not your "canim"
2. congratulations that your father is turkish!
3. everybody gets his/her answer if he/she irritates somebody(s)
4. peace for you too.
goodnight!

well...i just signed in after many hours and saw the whole argument.

http://www.amasya.gov.tr/http/ferhat.asp

Boyalarla isledigim duvarlarda
Hiçbir güzellik ulasamaz sana
Ben ne kadar benzetmek istesem
Hiçbir rüzgâr benzeyemez saçlarina
Güzelligini asacak qüzellik yoktur
Onu ben istesem de yaratamam
Senin güzelligini gördükten sonra
Artik ben boyalara dokunamam
Ben ki hep bir asmaya inanmistim
Ama senin varligini asamam
Gözlerinde parlayan yücelige
Yaklasmak istesem de yaklasamam
Eksiksizi ben sende gördüm ancak
Bundan sonra eksiksizi yaratmayi umamam
Ilk yenilgim en yüce yenilgimdir
Artik Ferhat'in isi tamam
Neden bunca güzelligin vardi da
Yeni güzellikler özledin bos yere
Neden böyle bir vurusta yok ettin
Yoksa düsmanligin mi vardi bana
Sirin karsi durdu Ferhat'in sözlerine. Dedi ki:
Sen ki hep bir sonsuzun umudusun
Nasil durur kalirsin yeniden dogmalara
Sen ki hep bir bitmezin sarkisisin
Nasil boyun egersin çaresiz kalmalara
Biz hepimiz bir tutkuya yaratildik
Dogduk koyu ve yogun yalnizliktan
Biz ki durak bilmeyen yolculariz
Nasil eksildik deriz zor yollardan
Artik yüklendik ya yaratmayi
Bütün güzellikler bizden sorulacak
Iyiyi ve dogruyu yüklendik ya
Düsüncemiz her zaman sonsuzu arayacak
Bütün yarattigini sil istersen
Istersen yeniden koyul yaratmalara
Kendini azalmayacak bir tutku say istersen
Yürü bizi bekleyen zamanlara
GüzelIigimi asmani isterim
Yalniz kalmak istemem ben dogada
Kendimi yarattiklarinla anlayayim
Daha yüce güzellikler ver bana


http://www.cetinkorkut.com/ferhat_ile_sirin.php

That's more like it!

Thank you J. (a true diplomat!)

H.

"they think its gay to please their love...because other men will make fun of them.. saying..hahaha you're scared of your wife..or u;re gf...sheesh..what a world... "

If you go back to 1st page..this is exactly what i said... no i didnt mean gay as in happy... but the meaning of my sentence above is that because these men are soo much manly they dont please their wives because they would think it might be gayish to do so!!! and SINCE THEY ARE MANLY MEN..they dont do it..

Sophie thank you... an dno problem..

But Bark... .. you are not my canim..and even in your dreams i wont call you canim as the real meaning...canim is just a saying.. thanx to Deli_kizin..people call eachother canim to be nice... girls call girls... teachers tell their good students... so ya... i would not allow you talk to me... this will be the last message you will post for me...!! you really have time for this argument?sheeesh this is terrible how in a great site like this...a mature man like you(from the picture i saw you must be over 21) finds a 19 year old(myself) girl to argue with. please find someone in your age! I really give up... trust me dude... just leave me alone.

Forgive me if i offend your manly pride.. didnt mean too!

Kelebek,
can't you just stop your "snake tongue" for a single second? i thought discussion was over, but you always set the ashes on fire.
do not provocate me ok? just stop it!
if you won't do that for me, then do it as a politeness to the kind people who changed the subject with kind efforts.
as "final" words :
stay away from me, be close to God

I am close to god.... as i warned before.. please do not post me a message anymore. .. and... you have no right to call my tongue..snake tongue ...

i did end the conversation..but you jumped at me because of the sweet way i approached you by canim.. inorder to bring back peace.. plus..again in my last reply i asked for forgiveness but you came back calling my sweet tongue..a snake tongue!!!

so..Mr. Barkin.. please respect the peacefull environment.

keep your directives for yourself.
if you don't reply, you don't get any msgs too.
otherwise it can last for ages.
now stand behind your words, and let's see how patient you are.. i'll be surprised if you don't activate your snake tongue again with another reply to this

Ooo this is better than a soap opera . What will happen in the next episode? Will she reply? Will they end up falling in love?........ D)

Barkin.. this is to you

oh cmon you two.....GET A ROOM !!!

I don't know about the kids being horrible, but it's certain that they will not SHUT UP!

H.

LoL Aenigma & isam
would you be our marriage witnesses?
(if Kelebek comes unarmed)

May I please be a bridesmaid - I've always wanted to be one

Would you be a good "example" for us MissHelen?
We may follow you accordingly

Well I'm a firm believer in co-habitation before marriage.

Maybe you guys should find yourself a little place together before rushing off to the ring shop!

H.

(11 months of sin so far)

Ooh - now I'll never get to be a bridesmaid

Of course no, Boop! 'cause you're gonna be the other bride of mine on the same wedding day.
you know, i have even right to have 2 more

Greedy

THANK GOD..HE FINALLY STOPPED!!!! and started playing..awwwwwwwwww


can i plz be the executer instead of the bride?

or atleast the mother in law

guys, you see...even i stop, she starts immediately
therefore i offer a last proposal to escape from her :
Boop : you'll be my bride
and Kelebek : you'll be the bridesmaid!
fair enough?!

Damn ! - I've already bought my bridesmaids dress now... :-S

On second thoughts - I think I may be busy on that day - counting money or something.....

Boop,
if my brother isam invites you, then you must come.
we don't accept any excuses.
he wants to use his new pistol on you, don't you understand?
forget about counting your poor money. you can get a huge amount of Dollars while isam throws them in the air as a start of the celebration!

It is beginning to sound more attractive - but could we forget about the pistol?

C'est la vie..

nevermind isam...now we have 2 pistols and the same target

Errrmmmm - nope - just checked my diary - definitiely busy that day

Ramayan... thank you....


ps: I really believe in this forum someone is truely gonna find their marriage partner..since its Firhad and Sirin forum... i mean... Everything is connected..and nothing happens for no reason.... So i think you should keep the faith .. and i would Love to be the bridesmaid... .. but preferably..the mother in law