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60.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 15 Jul 2009 Wed 02:21 pm

 

Quoting farukdemirhan

 

 

 who told u that we wanna be like turkish girls >>> iam saudian girl ,, we r happy with our rights

rights dosent mean being pregnant from a relation

             dosent mean life without boundries

             dosent mean having boy friend

             dosent mean drininkng parties till morning

             ..................................................................................

ISLAM gave us our rights and we dont ask silly ppl like u to teach us how to stand up for our rights,

 

Do you mean all saudi women are the same? All of you are happy like that? I must say I´m finding it strange, it´s hard to believe all women in one country think in unison. Where´s choice in it? Not all western women get pregnant outside marriage, not all have boyfriends (some have girlfriends or marry their fist boyfriend), some of us do not drink at all. You´re free to live as you wish. Can you say the same about women in SA?

61.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 15 Jul 2009 Wed 02:36 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Do you mean all saudi women are the same? All of you are happy like that? I must say I´m finding it strange, it´s hard to believe all women in one country think in unison. Where´s choice in it? Not all western women get pregnant outside marriage, not all have boyfriends (some have girlfriends or marry their fist boyfriend), some of us do not drink at all. You´re free to live as you wish. Can you say the same about women in SA?

 

+1

 

62.       teaschip
3870 posts
 15 Jul 2009 Wed 03:17 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

You dont have to give up your basic values, but it makes little sense  if you insist on playing a game where all Saudi ladies have to pretend it were still the year 620.

 

Did you ever take a plane from any Saudi Airport, flying out of Saudi Arabia?  You embark on the plane with Saudi ladies in all sorts of hijab outfits....but it takes about 15 minutes for the whole lot to get out of veils and what not, unless they are with their husbands. Those travelling with their husbands usually change at the arrival port. The whole show is the biggest example of hypocracy I have ever seen in my life.

 

I lived in Saudi Arabia for 14 years; never had a word with a Saudi lady while I was there (even those ladies you open doors for, would not thank you for your chivalry). The first Saudi lady I ever exchanged words with was an extremely polite and intelligent Saudi bank teller in Dubai.  When I told her this story, we both laughed.

 

If you do not think there is something weird here, I suggest you have your head examined.

 

 

 This is sad..It reminds me when I was a teenager I use to wear mini skirts and my parents didn´t approve.  I would pack it in my backpack and change at a friends..Big smile

63.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 15 Jul 2009 Wed 03:17 pm

 

Quoting abudy99

 

 

 totally agree with you .

Situation of young men in Saudi is no better. The sight of young men, barred from human social contact with their female counterparts, gathered around their expensive cars, holding each others´ hands always saddened me. It seemed unreal !

 

I do not mean to be offensive. Most youngsters I came to know personally were intelligent kids, once you got to know them -  especially those who managed to grow out the false feeling of arrogance that their huge cash allowances  and  their closed society instilled in them.

 

64.       abudy99
28 posts
 15 Jul 2009 Wed 05:18 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

Situation of young men in Saudi is no better. The sight of young men, barred from human social contact with their female counterparts, gathered around their expensive cars, holding each others´ hands always saddened me. It seemed unreal !

 

I do not mean to be offensive. Most youngsters I came to know personally were intelligent kids, once you got to know them -  especially those who managed to grow out the false feeling of arrogance that their huge cash allowances  and  their closed society instilled in them.

 

 

every society around the world has bad and good points , at least we -saudis- have islamic law , which conserves : mind ,  money ,  body , religion ,  honor and property .

becouse of that we have the lowest rate of crimes , foundlings , gambling , and alcohol issues .

and any thing goes wrong in saudi it because of doing what is against islamic rules , the islam is not calling to terrorism , nor to  immorality .

65.       tassia
50 posts
 15 Jul 2009 Wed 06:19 pm

Hey now...you struck a nerve. Our soaps are not silly or BORING! Tell that to Jack Abbott or Victor Neuman! Quote:

Add quoted text here

Head bangwell they sturr anger in me because of their everlasting suspendI will get you and i had was to stop watching it in order to refrain for destryong my T.VAngel

66.       teaschip
3870 posts
 15 Jul 2009 Wed 08:43 pm

 

Quoting abudy99

 

 

every society around the world has bad and good points , at least we -saudis- have islamic law , which conserves : mind ,  money ,  body , religion ,  honor and property .

becouse of that we have the lowest rate of crimes , foundlings , gambling , and alcohol issues .

and any thing goes wrong in saudi it because of doing what is against islamic rules , the islam is not calling to terrorism , nor to  immorality .

 

 Hmm, not sure where to begin.  As far your crime rates are concern you can credit this to how severe your penalities and how rigid your system is.  Heck, if you smuggle drugs or commit armed robbery you can face being beheaded.    I have concern with a country who can´t accept the concept of seperation of religion and state.  No political parties or opposition views are permitted, no voice.  As far as womens rights...what rights?  You can´t drive, can´t go into public places where men are, can´t even be admitted to a hospital without a mans consent, can´t travel alone, must enter in the back of a bus and must be covered.  Hmm, doesn´t sound like honor to me.  But you don´t know any different...that´s your society.  I remember a classmate here from Saudi...and her stance were quite similiar to what I mentioned above.  She was hoping to find a Turk to save her.

67.       abudy99
28 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 01:29 am

can´t go into public places where men are, can´t even be admitted to a hospital without a mans consent, can´t travel alone, must enter in the back of a bus and must be covered. 

 

 all of these cases are not true , even the women can´t drive but they can do alot of things alone .

she can travel alone - even it is prohibited in islam - , she can  be admitted to a hospital without a mans consent , and we don´t have buses in our transfer system to put women in the back ,  in some cities -like almadinah and maccah - there are few buses and all women and families set in front .

and why is it all about women and their rights ? why is some people wanna die to see saudi women alone ? don´t you have enough females  ? or you can´t stand seeing women with Chastity and pureness .

if you have to blame the situation in saudi you have to blame islam  , and when you dare and blame islam we will talk then .

 

and about the poor fatima which want a turkish guy to save her , i´m really sorry for her  , i really blame her family because they let movies and tv shows wash her pure brain .

i don´t offense turkish i really like them , but evey country has good and bad people , but there are alot of saudis how will make her happy 100 times more than any turiksh guy can do ever.

 

but the media - for sorry-  works very well and very hard to destroy the good picture of saudi and saudis .

 



Edited (7/16/2009) by abudy99

68.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 01:46 am

 

Quoting abudy99

can´t go into public places where men are, can´t even be admitted to a hospital without a mans consent, can´t travel alone, must enter in the back of a bus and must be covered. 

 

 all of these cases are not true , even the women can´t drive but they can do alot of things alone .

she can travel alone - even it is prohibited in islam - , she can  be admitted to a hospital without a mans consent , and we don´t have buses in our transfer system to put women in the back ,  in some cities -like almadinah and maccah - there are few buses and all women and families set in front .

and why is it all about women and their rights ? why is some people wanna die to see saudi women alone ? don´t you have enough females  ? or you can´t stand seeing women with Chastity and pureness .

if you have to blame the situation in saudi you have to blame islam  , and when you dare and blame islam we will talk then .

 

and about the poor fatima which want a turkish guy to save her , i´m really sorry for her  , i really blame her family because they let movies and tv shows wash her pure brain .

i don´t offense turkish i really like them , but evey country has good and bad people , but there are alot of saudis how will make her happy 100 times more than any turiksh guy can do ever.

 

but the media - for sorry-  works very well and very hard to destroy the good picture of saudi and saudis .

 

How do your learned scholars  explain the ban on lady driving, when all Moslems know,

 

1. there were no motor vehicles at the time of prophet Mohammad, hence the ban can not rationally be based on a command of the holy book or any islamic law.

2. camels were the closest available alternative at the time,

3. Hatica and Aisha,  Prophet´s wives, both rode camels; in fact, Hatica probably owned a herd of them,

 

Are you sure your scholars are not making up divine rules to suit themselves, all in the name of God, out of top of their hats ? If they are, you should know it is a cardinal sin.

 

In Turkia, qualified moslem ladies are free to drive. Do you think we will all end up burning in hell?

 



Edited (7/16/2009) by AlphaF
Edited (7/16/2009) by AlphaF

69.       abudy99
28 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 02:27 am

sorry : see the next replay 



Edited (7/16/2009) by abudy99

70.       abudy99
28 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 02:34 am

 

Quoting abudy99

first of all give me an evidence for what you said : aysha and the other wives of muhammed -pease be upon him-  ride camels alone ?

all stories in "prophet says" tell they were ride camels with one of their related .

it´s true they owned camels so did women in saudi , they owned more than turkish did.

 

second , we don´t allow women to drive not becuse the driving itself is out of law , but because we have something in islam called " block the pretext "

now in saudi every family have a car or two , some regular families have more than 5 cars , so tell me what´s ganna happen when women drive ? the count of cars will be double .

rate of Harassment , rape , sexual crime will be rise .

alot of unnecessary problem will be exist .

that doesn´t mean any women driver will  burning in hell , no one says that .

but we prevent lady driving to save ladies from dangerus risks

p.s : i have a question for you , and i hope you answer it honestly :

what do YOU think of lady driving ? are they good drivers ?

 

 

 

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