Unfortunately, Alper has other responsibilities at the moment and he is not able to help. Fcs has been kind enough to agree to take over Alper´s students. Many thanks to Fcs.

Students in fcs´s group:

1. Leelu

2. tenmadison

3. aylita

4. doudi94

5. Henry

6. Sfarog

Here you can ask questions to your teacher and talk to fellow classmates.

Merhaba Alper, I just want to be certain of the meaning of Ayşe´s last dialogue line: Tamam o zaman. Görüşmek üzere.
Does the first part mean something like "alright/OK, its time (to go)?
and the second part "just about to see each other (or meet)"
The rest of the dialogue was OK for me.

Tamam o zaman,i understood it like
´ok then´
At the dictionary it says,
o zaman

1. then
2. at that time

And Görüşmek üzere
Like till we meet ´see you later´
Something like that
Yes?

I read it as ..
ok then see you later.

as a general statement between friends.

Thanks CANLI and Leelu. It is also very helpful to see Erdinc´s answers to your other questions CANLI.

hello,
i just wanted to know when we use -ler and when we use -lar coz i see both of them a lot and dont know the difference, does it have anything to do with vowel harmony???

thx!!!

Ler,Lar is the plural form of the word

İn English its ´ S ´

Car...cars
Araba...arabalar


When do we use lar,and when do we use ler...its accourding to the vowel harmony rule...
Meaning,

We divide vowels to soft and hard
Round and flat

There are soft voices and hard voices in the vowels

E,İ,Ãœ,Ö ....are the soft ones

A,I,U,O.... are the hard ones...

Try it yourself and pronounce them one by one ..ehhmmm correctly of course
You will understand it yourself why they are called this way

Round vowels as you may know,are
O,Ö,Ü,U

Flat vowels are
İ,I,E,A

And also when you pronounce it yourself you will get it...
Your lips shap is round when you pronounce the round ones,and flat when you pronounce the flat ones

The vowel harmony rules,are concern with the harmony of the words.
Same meaning as harmony in the music,harmony in the colours
Here its harmony of the words sounds,no ups and downs.

So,we dont put flat vowel at the same word with round vowel
We dont mix soft vowels with hard vowels

So coming to the,LAr,LEr issue,plural case

When the last vowel of the word contain hard voice....we add lAr suffix

When the last vowel of the word contain soft voice...we add lEr suffix

Examples,

Araba...arabalAr
Ev....EvlEr
Konu....konulAr

Wish that helps

wow canli u should be a teacher not student great help thx!!

Thank you doudi,im still learning too,we all have our problems here really,just different ones and types

yes in the second hw,when they say cok gazete,what do they mean?? alot of newspapers??i mean i ahve no idea what the question could be even though i think i can understand what the answer is.( i think)or how did u understand the question??

thx!

We just talked about it here,
Check it out
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_32590

so what hes asking is did u read the newspaper i still dont understand why he said cok???

İts exactly like,
Are you reading newspapers alot?
Çok here means alot

or is the question saying did u read todays paper???

well,no,its
Are you reading newspapers alot?

I just noticed our homework date has changed .. has anyone else submitted theirs already?

I have submitted all the homework for section 1
How do i find out if it is correct
will I get a pm

You will find the corrections under your answers at the same page.
İf you didnt find them,then they havent been evaluated yet.

hello again!! ok now i know im being annoying but i have a question in the 3rd homework

when it says İstanbul güzel bir .... ama çok kalabalık it says istanbul is beautiful but it is very crowded i dont get what bir is for or what were supposed to add to it why cant we just leave the sentece as it is without bir???

thx!!

 doudi,students SUPPOSED to ask,its our job dear, beside learning of course 

Ok,here bir something like ´a´

And the sentence says,

İstanbul is a beautiful.....but its very crowded

so istanbul is a beautiful place?or city?? i thought i was supposed to put a suffix but those would be words. or do i understand wrong???

Well,you should put either word,or suffix

You put a word instead of the ...... ´dots´

And you put suffix instead of the _ ´underscore´

You can say either city or place,correct grammatically,but city is more accurate logically

İstanbul isnt just a place,its a city.

thx a lot canli!! youre my savior!!!!

i read before that the way to know if your homework is corrected is that ill find the mistakes under the my answers on the same page or il recieve an email,but until now i havent recieved an email or correction does that mean it hasnt been corrected yet???

Groups officially will start tomorrow inşallah

Group start date: 11 Aug 2008

homework question

If we are talking about two people doing something, but using their names and not  they

should be use gidiyor or gidiyorlar

e.g Ahmet and Mehmet are going to the park

is it gidiyor or gidiyorlar ?

yes me too id like to know the answer to that same question

I´m not in your group but I assume all groups work the same. Even if you haven´t received an email, you can check yourself if your homework has been corrected or not by simply going to your own answers at the assignment. If Alper has evaluated it, his answer should be below yours.

i know,ive checked alot so i guess he hasnt corrected it yet,ill just wait

 With onlar ´Ahmet and Mehmet´,you can also use the 3rd person suffix,so as i believe its right both way

gidiyor,and gidiyorlar

pls corrections if im wrorg.

I HAVE A HUGE QUESTION ( i accidently deleted one of my HW´s, isnt there anyway to bring it back??? it took me a really long time to do it!! )

I am sorry Doudi, but I don´t think there is any way to restore it.... I´m afraid you have to re-do it. The good news is that you have almost a week to do it... and it may be more practice for you...

its okay,im happy i deleted them

im working on it now, ive learnt alot since i did it last time and it turns out i ahd a lot of things wrong!!! and i understand much better now!!! im thinking of deleting all my homeworks!!!

homework question

I would like clarification of what it means if you put hiç before a negative statement

e.g Hayır, ben Ankara´yı hiç sevmiyorum.

does it mean never ?

I think it means "I don´t love Ankara at all".

 thank you catwoman, of course you are correct I found it now in the dictionary

 hiç   2. (in questions and negative sentences) ever; at all.

This group has a new teacher, his name is Fcs. Unfortunately, Alper has other responsibilities at the moment and he is not able to help, as he initially intended.

Thank you to everybody who offers their free time to help our students.

 a big thank you to Fcs for taking on this group.......

Thank you fcs from me as well, for helping us to learn Türkçe, and adding helpful explanations when correcting our homework.

First of all of course i wanted to thank our new teacher for his time( Thanks Fcs!!) and i had a question in the homework,

i know we cant answer this homework yet but i was just looking through it and wondered

 Ahmet çok çay içiyor. i know it means ahmet is drinking a lot of tea (or am i wrong??) but if it does mean that then what would the question be??

Does ahmet drink a lot of tea?? Or Is Ahmet drinking a lot of tea??

Thx i know its stupid but just wanted to a clarification!!

Doudi, there is an example. If you check the example again you should be able to figure out how to complete that section for next week.

yes i know, but i can form the question in a lot of ways, and the answer would change, so do i just do it however i feel like??Or should i do it in the way that would use the present continious?? sice that is the lesson??

From the example it looks like you have to ask the question about the verb.

Example: Ayse okula gidiyor. (Ayse goes to school).

Question: Ayse okula gidiyor mu? (Does Ayse go to school?)

Answer: Evet, gidiyor. (Yes, she goes)

So if you have a sentence:

Ahmet çok çay içiyor. (Ahmet drinks a lot of tea.)

You have to ask: Does Ahmet drink a lot of tea?

etc...

ooh thx a lot for the clarification catwoman and erdinc, i wanted to make things more complicate dfor myself i dont know why,

THX

i have a question, If section 2 has started why cant i add answers??? because it says that section 2 has started at the end of the page. Is it wrong??

THX!!

Section 2 has NOT started yet. It will start on Monday.

Oh thx catwoman, I read this and got mixed up

Current section: 2 (ends on 25 Aug 2008)

sry

Ok, it´s a mistake, sorry about it...

The print page is VERY HELPFUL for the lessons, is there a way to put that on the homeworks pages too? It would facilitate being able to print the homework assignments. 

Thanks to the teachers for helping us improve!!

Question

I know sence and bence ..... in your opinion/in my opinion(according to you/me)

is there a word for according to him/her in his or hers opinion.

thanks

instead of "bence", "sence" you can use "bana göre", "sana göre" as well. therefore you can use "ona göre" for  "according to him/her".

 thanks teacher.... thats exactly what i needed to know

sigara is cigarette ?

to say cigarettes would you say sigaralar

 Yep.

 yes sigara is cigarette. also you can use "sigara" for "cigarettes". but it depends on what you would like you say.

for example: "i dont want to see these cigarettes". "Bu sigaraları görmek istemiyorum."

                     "Can you please buy me some cigarettes". "Bana sigara alabilir misin?"

 thanks Trudy

 thanks fcs..... well if i write it wrong, im sure you will correct me

thanks for your evalution fcs

can you explain this a little more or point me in the right direction

5.grammetically correct.  The question suffix should be added to "İstanbul" not to the verb. So the best answer is "Sen İstanbul´da mı yaşıyorsun?"

 Special thanks to Erdinc, he has just explained it to me. i am just adding his explaination for this issue.

example:

Question: "Sen İstanbul´da çalışıyor musun?"

Here the person who asks the question knows that  i am in Istanbul. But doesnt know  if i am working or not. So the suffix is added to the verb.

Question: "Sen İstanbul´da mı çalışıyorsun?"

And here the person who asks the question knows that i am working for sure. But doesnt know where i am working. So the suffix is added to place(İstanbul).

Another example:

Sen okula gidiyor musun? (The owner of the question wants to know if i am going to school or not. doesnt know if i am going to school or no.)

Sen okula mı gidiyorsun? (The owner of the question already knows that i am going to somewhere. wants to know if it is school)

Then lets go back the question on the  homework.

5. ....................................... ?

Evet, ben İstanbul´da yaşıyorum.

Here the person is confirming that he/she is living in İstanbul by his/her answer. So the owner of the question wants to know if he/she is living in İstanbul or in other city? Therefore the suffix should be added to İstanbul. "Sen İstanbul´da mı yaşıyorsun?"

(p.s: erdinc, could you please correct/add  if something is not clear/ missing with the above)

 thanks to both of you .... great explanation... I think i understand it now

i had the same question too and i wanna thank uboth 2

THX!!

 If i wanted to say according to Bahar

could I say   Bahar göre ?

thanks for all your help fcs

 Ben ---> Bana göre

 Sen ---> Sana göre

 O --->Ona göre

Bahar ---> Bahar´a göre

Ali ---> Ali´ye göre

Tenmadison ---> Tenmadison´a göre

 of course ... silly me

I forgot to put in a/e ...to

i know somebody alredaya sked for this on a different thread but i thougth id ask here, CAn we please have more excercise on the first homework cause i hti k id like more practice on it to gte the exact hang of it, it doesnt even ahve to be for everyone but like you can add it and make it optional, would that be possible?

thx

i was wondering about the third homework the personal suffixes one , is there something wrong with ti or do i just understand wrong because from what i understand allw ere gonan do is take tehs entence above and add m like in the example for ex:

1. Ayşe denizde yüzdü. 

Ben denizde yüzdüm

2. Ali  top oynadı.
Ben top oynadım

is taht right? it cant be right , right? because then allw e´d do is add m?so can somenbody plz tell me what im doing wrong?

Yes,doudi94 that is all that is required.

My homework has been marked by fcs and nothing else was needed.

The next homework is only slightly harder.

It´s good to sometimes have simple homework to reinforce understanding.

 I was wondering that myself .. I went with the possability it was all I needed to do.  I will find out when its graded.

 ive had my homework  graded,  and that is exactly what they are looking for, the correct personal suffix for the past tense

Whew .. thank goodness!! Mine still has not been graded.

ok maybe I am making this harder than it seems but I have a question about the ending for the word  İstanbul´a I see it written with the ´a but the little voice inside my head says ´da is more correct. Can someone please help me with this quandry? and going forward how do you really know what to put  on the end? I know its do with harmonies but which one? as in section 4 homeworks I see Türkiye´ye

İstanbul´a= to Istanbul

İstanbul´da= in Istanbul

Türkiye´ye= to Turkey (buffer "y"+ "e" in accordance with vowel harmony)

 aaaaaaaaaaaah .. and can we say my lightbulb just went on!! now it makes sense, so would in turkey be Türkiye´de? .. çok tesekkür ederim MayC!!

Okay, I had a question am I the on;y one whose homework from alstweeka nd this week havent been corrected yet, or Fcs just away?? If hes away then thats okay, but i was just wondering if Im the only one

Thx

You are not the only one. I guess fcs must be busy.

nope you are not the only one .. mine has not been graded yet either from last week. but thats ok .. I know it will be graded soon .. 

I guess fcs must be busy......its a full house, mines has not been graded.. but there is no hurry

next weeks homework, I was wondering why in the following words that iyordu/uyordu was used and not just du/di

 yıkıyordu. üzülüyordu. siliyordu istemiyordu. sürüyordu.

  ediyordu.  edemiyordu.  ediyordu.  uyuyordu.

thanks

suffix ıp

Bazen yataktan kalkıp pijamalarla sokağa çıkıyor

I have not come across this suffix before ıp

i wondered if anyone could explain it to me, or point me in the right direction

thanks in advance

 Ip is like ´and´

Doing something,and doing another thing

İts used with verbs,and both verbs take same tense for same person,but instead of adding them to the first verb,we add ıp,and we add tense and personal suffix to the another verb,which usually be the last verb

Meaning,here

Sometimes,s/he getting out of bed and going out to the street with pajamas

The last verb telling us about the first verb ´ıp verb´ its in şimdiki zaman,and its taking the third person suffix as well.

 What i understand it ,its like the past continuance tense

gidiyordum...i was going

yiyordum...i was eating

İ remember caliptrix has explaind the compound tenses before,and which to come first,and the meaning/differences in such a lovely way.

İ dont know where is the thread,but i will try to dig it and send the link.

İts at the language forum tho.

Edited: here it is,found it .

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_28806_-1

I appreciate this efort

How is this:

 thank you very much for your help canli

i appreciate it

 fantastic explanation caliptrix

i really appreciate your help

Hi,

Somebody asked why we have used the n buffer in this sentence instead the y buffer. 

İşimi bitirdikten sonra ben kızkardeşimle spor salonuna gittim.

The reason is because the -u that is just before the -n buffer.

İşimi bitirdikten sonra ben kızkardeşimle spor salonuna gittim.

This -u is a possessive suffix. After a third person plural or singular possessive suffix we use the n buffer. Let´s quickly remember possessive suffixes and afterwards I will explain what a possessive suffix has to do in the above sentence. 

Example 1:

singulars

1. benim kedim

2. senin kedin

3. onun kedisi

plurals:

1. bizim kedimiz 

2. sizin kediniz

3. "onların kedileri" or "onların kedisi"

Example 2:

singulars:

1.benim evim

2.senin evin

3.onun evi

plurals

1.bizim evimiz

2.sizin eviniz

3."onların evleri" or "onların evi"

As you see only the third person singular and plural persons end with a vowel. Therefore only after the third persons you use -n buffer. Why the -n buffer? Well, this is a rule. After a third person possessive suffix we use the n buffer. With the possessive suffix itself we use the -s buffer (as you see in "onun kedisi").

Let´s repeat the topic with examples:

1. Arabaya bindi. (binmek: to get on, to board)

Here y is used because this is the dative case with an ordinary noun. "-a" suffix is the dative case. 

2. Ali´nin arabası var. 

Here the -ı is the third person possessive suffix and possessive suffixes take the -s buffer.

3. Ali arabasına bindi.  

Here the -ı is the third person possessive suffix and it has the s buffer. The -a is the dative case and it has the -n buffer because with all four case suffixes we use the n buffer if the case suffix comes after a third person possessive suffix. 

4. Ali evine gitti. 

Here the -i is the third person possessive suffix. There is no -s buffer because "ev" doesn´t end with a vowel. The -e is the dative case and it has the -n buffer. All noun cases take the n buffer after a third person possessive suffix. 

5. Ali evinde uyudu.

Here the -i is the third person possessive suffix. The -de is the locative case and it has the -n buffer because the n buffer is a little irregular and appears even if it is not between two vowels.  

Now, let´s return to the first sentence. "Spor salonu" is a compound noun. It consists of "spor", "salon" and third person singular possessive suffix.  Third person singular possessive is -ı, -i, -u, -ü is used to c onstruct compond nouns. Here are a few examples:

1. bebek arabası

2. Ankara Üniversitesi

3. otobüs durağı

4. futbol maçı

5. basketbol topu

6. şarkı sözü

7. arkeoloji müzesi

8. çocuk tiyatrosu

Some sources give this compound noun suffix a unique name. They call it compound noun suffix. I think this is unneccassy. As you see it is exactly the same suffix as the third person possessive and it takes again the -s buffer. Besides we use again the -n buffer after this coumpound noun suffix.  

"Ankara Üniversitesinde okuyorum."

Here the -i is the third person possessive suffix and it has the s buffer because üniversite ends with a vowel. The -de is the locative case and it has the -n buffer because it is used after a possessive suffix. If the locative case wasn´t used with a compound noun (Ankara Üniversitesi) then we would not use the -n buffer or any buffer:

"Üniversitede okuyorum."

In short, here is the rule:

Use the -n buffer with all 4 noun cases after a possessive suffix for third person singular or plural and after a compound noun because compound nouns also use the third person possessive suffix.    

 thanks erdinc for taking the time to explain it so well.  I can see clearly now what I did wrong.

I forgot that spor salonu was a compound noun and therefore had a possessive suffix u

thanks again for taking the time to explain it to me

Questions on homework i know theyre kinda stupid but bare me

1. Ali´nin arabası var mı?

okay QUESTION: does the nin suffix = from, because ive seen it a lot like in Turkie´nin

another QUESTION: what does arabası mean? is the s there for bufferıng?

last QUESTION: does the whole questıon mean.... i have no idea, since i dont understand the suffixes :S, does it mean where is Ali´s car? oor does Ali have a car, because the var is confusing me

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7. Sizce Ali nasıl bir insan?

QUESTION: what does sizce mean??? :S:S i feel so stupid, lol,

another QUESTION: what in the world does the qwuestion mean??? cause i ahve (again and as  usual)no idea!!!

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Other than that i ahve no problem (I better not!)

Thx for reading this, know its stupid but were all learning right ??

Merhaba Doudi,

The -in suffix is the genitive case. It takes the n buffer. Ali´nin means Ali´s.

Arabası means "his/her/its car". It has a possessive suffix. "s" is a buffer letter.

The question means "Does Ali have a car?"

"var" is used for two things. It can mean "there is" or it can be used for ´have sentences´ (I made up this term.). In our example it is used for a ´have sentence´. The point is that we don´t have the verb "to have". Therefore, instead saying "I have" we say "there is my". Here is an example:

Benim arabam var.

I have a car.

Notice how we change from "I" in the English sentence to "my" (benim) in the Turkish sentence. If we had a "to have" verb this wouldn´t be necessary. Then we would be able to say "I have". The literal translation of "Benim arabam var" is "My car there is" but of course you don´t need to worry about the literal translations. You just need to know that "Ali´nin arabası" means "Ali´s car".

If we said "Bu Ali´nin arabası" you would translate as "This is Ali´s car". Here the languages are close to each other. But if we said "Ali´nin arabası var mı?". Then you would translate as "Does Ali have a car?". Here the languages differ because the lack of ´have´ in Turkish. 

sizce: in your opinion

I think now you might be able to understand the question "Sizce Ali nasıl bir insan?"

No it doesnt,its possessive

nIn + ´s´ I = ´s in English

´S´ is buffer

http://www.turkishclass.com/tl_lesson.php?lesson_id=68

 Ali´nin arabası ,means Ali´s car.

Var,means  exist,

Var mı ?

Means, is/does it exist ?

Sizce means in your opinion.

Edited : Sry Erdinç,i havent seen your post,i was posting my reply it seems.

Canlı, you are actually correct. The genitive case is sometimes also called the possessive case. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case

Thank you both so much erdnic and canli, !

Thank you both so much erdnic and canli, !

Great explanation caliptrix as usual,thank you 

Home work question - lets

the infinitive tenses are given as the following the lesson

however I also found this in the turkish language forum under lets

Infinitive Tense of görmek:
1.singular:
2.singular: sen gör!: See!
3.singular: o gör-sün!

1.plural:
2.plural: siz gör-ünüz!
3.plural: onlar gör-sün-ler!

so im a little confused

should siz be -in or iniz or both

thanks in advance

The -iniz ending is an extra polite version. The -in ending is the normal ending for siz.

A translation question.

"Cüzdanýna baktý." Ne demek?

I am guessing ...

Cüzdan = wallet

Cüzdaný = the wallet

Cüzdanýna = to the wallet

Cüzdanýna baktý = to the wallet he looked?

Have I worked this out correctly?

 Very much correct,

He looked to his wallet

Thanks CANLI

I need some translation help for the Homework 8 section

Emre: Tamam. Yemek yemeden gelin, annem dolma yapacak.

My attempt, but I´m not sure about "yemek yemeden gelin"

OK. You come, don’t eat, my mother will make stuffed vegetables.

yemek = food and also to eat,

yemeden = without eating?    

 Ã believe,its so much correct too

 Ok,you come without eating food,my mom will make dolma

Yes, it is "without eating"

Türkçeyle ilgili tüm yardýmlarýnýz için çok teþekkür ederim. 

Thanks again caliptrix, and I hope your new web-site grows.

www.turkisheasy.com

Great explanations on farewells in Turkish.