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The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations
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190.       femmeous
2642 posts
 22 Jan 2009 Thu 05:05 pm

BOOKS: DINK´S STORY ABOUT BEING ARMENIAN IN TURKEY

"I feel as scared as a trapped dove but I know the people of this country will not touch me, because here they don´t hurt doves. Doves live among the population, scared as I am but free," wrote the Armenian journalist and Turkish citizen Hrant Dink before being killed in Istanbul on January 19 2007 by a young fanatic. "The dovés unrest" is the title of his book which is published posthumously, a collection of the articles we wrote for the weekly Agos, which he has founded. The book will be sold in Italy as well. It was presented yesterday evening during a tribute to Dink organised in Milan by the Armenian House. "Hrant" said Boghos Levon Zekiyan, Armenian from Istanbul and professor at the University Cà Foscari in Venice, friend of Dink "was killed because he had become a magnet for Turkish intelligentsia". "He knew" explained Zekiyan, who wrote the preface to the book "that the only way for Turkey to recognise the Armenian genocide was to create a public opinion able to support this burden. His work has been useful: now every day a new Turkish intellectual stands behind this need".

191.       alameda
3499 posts
 22 Jan 2009 Thu 11:01 pm

 

Quoting si++

This is politically incorrect. What happened then happened but it cannot be called genocide. You should define what genocide is first. It was defined by UN in 1948. Educate yourself first femus.

 REALITIES BEHIND THE RELOCATION

 

 

Interesting article si++, however could you provide a link? I like to know what the authority of things I read are from. Also, the text is so tiny it´s hard to read. I had to copy it and bring it into another doc to reformat it so as to be able to read the article.

 

BTW, I think the accusation of Armenian Genocide are false for a variety of reasons. The main reason I feel that way is because in that time period, during WWI, when 20 million people died the Armenians sided with the Russians, becoming a 5th Column.  Armenians were actively recruited to join in the war against the Turks.

 

The attempt to accuse Turkey of Armenian Genocide seems to me like a case of "History being written by the victors".............but the only problem is the Turkey was not totaly defeated. If there were no Attaturk, the story might have been different.

192.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 01:09 am

 

Quoting alameda

Quoting si++

This is politically incorrect. What happened then happened but it cannot be called genocide. You should define what genocide is first. It was defined by UN in 1948. Educate yourself first femus.

 REALITIES BEHIND THE RELOCATION

 

 

Interesting article si++, however could you provide a link? I like to know what the authority of things I read are from. Also, the text is so tiny it´s hard to read. I had to copy it and bring it into another doc to reformat it so as to be able to read the article.

 

BTW, I think the accusation of Armenian Genocide are false for a variety of reasons. The main reason I feel that way is because in that time period, during WWI, when 20 million people died the Armenians sided with the Russians, becoming a 5th Column.  Armenians were actively recruited to join in the war against the Turks.

 

The attempt to accuse Turkey of Armenian Genocide seems to me like a case of "History being written by the victors".............but the only problem is the Turkey was not totaly defeated. If there were no Attaturk, the story might have been different.

 

Alameda it´s actually a book contributed by various scholars. I have the whole book on my drive I can upload it to somewhere you can download. Let me know.

193.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 01:12 am

 

Quoting catwoman

What kind of conclusion is that? If someone is born in Turkey, then that person is Turkish whether you like it or not. What a person thinks/believes is her/his private business, and has nothing to do with their nationality. Moreover, this sounds like a form or racism.

 

I was only pointing out that we have nothing in common between us with him. If you take it as a racism so be it. I don´t mind.

194.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 01:46 am

 

Quoting si++

Alameda it´s actually a book contributed by various scholars. I have the whole book on my drive I can upload it to somewhere you can download. Let me know.

 

 I found it! It is by Yusuf Halaçoðlu and can be found here

 

 

195.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 01:49 am

Don´t you gentlemen think it´s time to take your dispute into private messages, rather than in public here?

 

This thread has been informative, but now it´s gotten into personal insults and vulgar language.

 

Please

196.       admin
758 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 04:01 am

I deleted a number of posts from this thread because of personal attacks/discussions. This is a topic where the heat can go up quickly but let´s please try to keep the posts on topic and not make it personal. 

197.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 05:20 am

 

 

Quoting si++

I was only pointing out that we have nothing in common between us with him. If you take it as a racism so be it. I don´t mind.

 

 I agree with this{#lang_emotions_wink}

Quoting thehandsom

Because it also proves that you HAVE BEEN LIED again..

  actually you are the best example of how one can be brainwashed with lies. hehe, what a statement "i dont belive the state version events", instead you can clearly say "i dont believe in Turks, or i believe in Turks who suits my interests or i believe in history written by imperialists who came to occupy Turkey" will be more realistic.

 

Btw thehandsom you like it or not one of the basis of Turkish Republic is Atatürk nationalism. Atatürk himself was a nationalist too. This country kicked out of imperialist occupiers by becoming a nation, by getting rid of the ummah model, uniting all ethnicities under one nation with all same rights. Get over it firstly.

 

You can be a Turk by race but remember during the war of independence we have too many Damat Ferids, Ali Kemals who are Turks by race, as well as now. I think si++ tried to emphasize this(thats my impression, si++ can correct). Dont twist the issue by saying "if i was an Armenian, i would never deny it". I also called you Kurdish racist and i agree with the conclusion of si++, you sound like Armeniand/Kurdish racist here, that has nothing to the with your race or nationality , but i dont hope, you got it, and you will continue your Turkey hating propogand to provoke.

 

Finally like your statement, if being Turk is like you, who believes in imperialists lie, who hates everything about Turkey and Turks, who always tries to provoke, who tries to twist the history, who calls every Turk or the ones who think different than your imperialist flatterer mentality, racist then there is something wrong about Turks, they can welcome the ones who come to occupy their lands or they are not Turks.

 

198.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 06:37 am

 

Quoting armegon

  actually you are the best example of how one can be brainwashed with lies. hehe, what a statement "i dont belive the state version events", instead you can clearly say "i dont believe in Turks, or i believe in Turks who suits my interests or i believe in history written by imperialists who came to occupy Turkey" will be more realistic.

 

Btw thehandsom you like it or not one of the basis of Turkish Republic is Atatürk nationalism. Atatürk himself was a nationalist too. This country kicked out of imperialist occupiers by becoming a nation, by getting rid of the ummah model, uniting all ethnicities under one nation with all same rights. Get over it firstly.

 

You can be a Turk by race but remember during the war of independence we have too many Damat Ferids, Ali Kemals who are Turks by race, as well as now. I think si++ tried to emphasize this(thats my impression, si++ can correct). Dont twist the issue by saying "if i was an Armenian, i would never deny it". I also called you Kurdish racist and i agree with the conclusion of si++, you sound like Armeniand/Kurdish racist here, that has nothing to the with your race or nationality , but i dont hope, you got it, and you will continue your Turkey hating propogand to provoke.

 

Finally like your statement, if being Turk is like you, who believes in imperialists lie, who hates everything about Turkey and Turks, who always tries to provoke, who tries to twist the history, who calls every Turk or the ones who think different than your imperialist flatterer mentality, racist then there is something wrong about Turks, they can welcome the ones who come to occupy their lands or they are not Turks.

 

Exactly.

 

(Since what I said additionally got deleted twice, I will not repeat that part.)

199.       catwoman
8933 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 06:40 am

Thread locked because despite reminders and warnings, some people keep on using personal attacks.

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