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The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations
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130.       teaschip
3870 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 01:36 am

 

Quoting alameda

 ....but if I stopped it instead of looking at what happened 100 years ago in a land thousands of miles away from me, it probably would not happen....

 

sorry to have to let you know this, but by not stopping what is under your nose...NOW...you will have a rotting carcass moldering and festering in your basement that will soon contaminate the whole city...causing the rise of vermin that cause illness that can infect the whole world....if you don´t take care of it now.

 

 Believe me Alameda my eyes and ears are open to the NOW, if I had a rotting carcass in my basement I hope I would know. {#lang_emotions_lol_fast} I´m also a person who doesn´t sweep the crumbs underneath the rug either. However,  there is nothing wrong with discussing the THEN.  I think it´s careless not to discuss history in order to not repeat simliar mistakes. 

131.       alameda
3499 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 01:37 am

 

Quoting teaschip

 How could I forget about Cyprus...wasn´t that once a beautiful thriving country where tourism was in abudance....then one day Turkey decided to invade on a whim.  And I didn´t realize Argentina, Chile, Canada and Venezula was in your back door.{#lang_emotions_shy}  Since when did they become part of Europe or Asia? You still haven´t answered my question...Why do all of these countries recognize the Armenian Genocide?{#lang_emotions_unsure}  I´m asking you to help me understand...

 

 You are aware of the fact that Cyprus was an Ottoman territory that was annexed by Britain in 1914, and became a Crown colony in 1925, aren´t you? Have you heard of EOKA? Have you heard of eonosis? Turkey did not decide to invade Cyprus on a whim my dear...please go back to your history lessons.

132.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 01:40 am

 

Quoting Temora

 ...woman...aren´t u cooking sth or have some embroidering or knitting????

 

 This is sick. I hope you don´t see your mother or your future wife like this.

133.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 01:44 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 This is sick. I hope you don´t see your mother or your future wife like this.

 

It is deleted. Suck sick comments are not acceptable.

134.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 01:52 am

Ahmet Altan

 

 

 

In September, 2008 when Altan published "Oh, My Brother" article dedicated to the victims of Armenian genocide and the Turkish-Armenian relations, he was charged under Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code for "denigrating Turkishness".

 

The judicial claim is initiated by the far-right "Great Union Party

135.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 02:52 am

 

Quoting teaschip

How could I forget about Cyprus...wasn´t that once a beautiful thriving country where tourism was in abudance....then one day Turkey decided to invade on a whim. And I didn´t realize Argentina, Chile, Canada and Venezula was in your back door.{#lang_emotions_shy} Since when did they become part of Europe or Asia? You still haven´t answered my question...Why do all of these countries recognize the Armenian Genocide?{#lang_emotions_unsure} I´m asking you to help me understand...

 

you sound just like a thick and arrogant American. Just typical, and nothing surprising... I would lecture you about the greek aoka terrorists, christmass bloodshed, bathroom massacre, mass graves of Turks, enosis and many other things but that would just be a time loss cause arrogant people can`t learn.

 

 

136.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 03:14 am

 

well end of the day, what happened in 1915 binds us all Turks..

Because it is our history, because we have to know the truth. And knowing the truth is quite important because ´what went there´  happened to be at the time of  start of our nationalism  which kind of still rules the country.

The same nationalism (say it was necessary at the time, say it was a self defence, say there was no other way etc) is still seeing the major problems of Turkey from the same angle.

 

Now lets look at what went there at the time..

I think everybody accepts that it was the time of disintegration of ottomany empire. End of 19 centry most of the balkans were left with the nationalist movements( Greeks, Bulgarians etc.)

And also everybody accepts that Armenians wanted to leave too..(btw.Their nationalism started long before Turkish nationalism.)

It is also well known that they collaborated with the Russians specially and Armenian groups started to kill Turkish civilians.. (If I am not wrong, totaly they killed between 12 to 25 thousands civilians)

And what went after that was the backlash from young Turks goverment..(which I gave some brief info about them here http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_30435)

They decided to move almost every armenians out ouf Anatolia. (Basically, it was a war and ottomans were losing everything. Young Turks who were in the government were in a panic. They thought if the main part of Anatolia was lost to Armenians, we ,Turks would have no place to live! That was the main psychology of Young Turks at the time)

And they decided to move every single armenian to Syria, although the rebels were mainly active along the Russian borders.

This went on almost  17 months. Ermanians  young/old/women/babies etc from east and west they were forced to march!

The result?

We dont know how many Armenians died exactly..

but according to a report from a committe which was formed by the Ottomani goverment to investigate the war crimes said that 800.000 Armenians died during WW1.(Vakit, 15 Mart 1919). In 1928 in a report from the army head quoter said that 800.000 Armenians and 200.000 Greeks died (Aktaran Hikmet Bayur, Türk Ýnkilap Tarihi, C. III, Kýsým IV, Ankara:Türk Tarih Kurumu Yayýnlarý, 1991, s.787.)

Even our offical historian Kamuran gurun said the number was 300.000.

(A few years ago, Orhan Pamuk said something like ´there were 1.000.000 armanians 40.000 kurds died on these soils and we should be able to discuss. He got nearly killed for those words)

And in 1992, we invented the phrase ´so called armenian genocide´..(it was not referred as ´so called´ before)

Anyway..now we are at this moment..in 2008.

We, Turks never wanted to talk about this issue.. Our archives were closed for a long time and when it was open officially, anybody who wanted to investigete had some serious problems!! And now many important parts of the archives gone missing!!

Anyway, this is an important issue..Authorities who LIED to us about kurdish issue (bye saying that -no kurds, only mountain Turks-) are the same people telling us what is ´our official explanation is about the armenian issue´ (that is the brainwashing part btw haha )..I will always be spectical about it.

It is important. Hrant Dink was killed because of this issue..

It is important because we need to know the truth..

btw.. I m not implying that it was a genocide.

 

137.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 03:38 am

 

Quote:

Quoting tamikidakika

wasn`t it you who a few days ago trashed an article of Yilmaz Ozdil because it was shallow? so why are you quoting this piece of crap which is even shallower?  Yes, Ahmet Altan is a fanboy, and shallow. why should I bother what he says in his crappy newspaper?

 

 

Quoting Temora

 coz fellow who passes it  is shallow too...and measures others his measure{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

well.. Gentelmen...When I called that writer shallow, If i am not mistaken, I also gave the explanation why he was shallow and what was not true in his writings or his ideas..

I never seen you coming with credible explanation apart from ´fun boy´ or ´crappy newspaper´.

But i agree upto a certain degree..Ahmet Altan is not as deep as the other writers in that paper..I did not translate the others because A Altan´s was easier to translate..

138.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 07:22 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

When I called that writer shallow, If i am not mistaken, I also gave the explanation why he was shallow and what was not true in his writings or his ideas.. 

Does this mean he is now a member of the The SSDandL Gang? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

139.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 11:18 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

Quoting thehandsom

 

When I called that writer shallow, If i am not mistaken, I also gave the explanation why he was shallow and what was not true in his writings or his ideas.. 

Does this mean he is now a member of the The SSDandL Gang? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

Hehehehehe

I think he could also belong to the WYSIWYG Gang

140.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 01:32 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Hehehehehe

I think he could also belong to the WYSIWYG Gang

 

AE could you possibly if it´s not too much trouble stop using acronyms that sound Welsh, please. {#lang_emotions_head_bang}

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