wasn`t it you who a few days ago trashed an article of Yilmaz Ozdil because it was shallow? so why are you quoting this piece of crap which is even shallower?  Yes, Ahmet Altan is a fanboy, and shallow. why should I bother what he says in his crappy newspaper?

Nope I did not..

But it is lovely to see you , tami, bsb , temora etc in the same line..

I have to go now..But I will come back

 "really respectful authorities" to believe........

 coz fellow who passes it  is shallow too...and measures others his measure

right, you should always trust those missionaries. one of them tried to convert me a few days ago in library. but I`m a bad infidel who doesn`t even recognize the :"armenian genocide".

 Teaschip....It is good you put quotation marks around your "facts"....do you really think this is your or my business? (...or any other countries other than Turkey and Armenia)

We have plenty of issues in our own country. It´s between the Turks and the Armenians. The genocides of the Amerindians, African slaves are our business.

.......as for your "facts"....they are very selective.

What happened to the Jews in WWII is unique in history. There has been NO proof anything like that happened to the Armenians during WWII. Yes, many died, many were killed during a war to which they were an active participant.

People die in wartime. Read my post on the first page regarding the deaths during this time. Millions died during the influenza epidemic. War is HELL! Fanning the flames of hatred and division only helps create more chaos....

u seem to forget Alameda that teas.....has a mission here...she will not stop to keep on enlighting us,barbarianson her right american way of seeing things..oooops."facts"

 I thought that was my mission

Anyway I agree with most of them, Teaschip, it is too easy to say you have ´facts´ that ther has been Armenian genocide. Your view sounds more like American view of history. There has never been any proof for it to be a genocide. Genocide implies the planned killing of a group of people because of their race, religion etc. Looking at historical facts, if it would have been any other group threatening the territorial integrity of the empire, they may have decided for the same measurements, so it had nothing to do with them being Armenian. Another thing, an ethnic clearing of an area or a forced migration, does not fall under the term of genocide either.  And what happened was a forced migration

I´m afraid you should go through your ´facts´ again.

Interesting how people here take things out of context...Please point out where I said the Genocide was a fact...I only expressed my opinions on here backed up with certain facts that contribute to my opinion.  I haven´t heard one comment here to support otherwise.  Also, please don´t imply I´m using American History here to support my opinion. 

 cnm,at least you speak about yourself......u r ppl who take things out of contex,did u notice?

 How about these comments written by you in this very thread?

"Let´s see Alamada many things I stated here are indeed "facts"... Most people base their opinions on facts, unlike you. Using your concept theory we would never know the truth about anything..."

"Fathers words... Proof....would you also say this to the Jews. Let´s see witnesses, testimonies, dead bodies...archives that the Turks refuse to disclose.  I can see how irrevelant it must be to you, since pasta is the foundation of your new found religion."

" Si +++  I have a hard time believing this was not a Genocide and the problem by ignoring this fact is another reason why Turkey won´t get into the EU.  By denouncing this to all the families is like saying it never happened.   What your sending is a message loud and clear that it´s acceptable which gives it good cause to repeat itself in history.  Can you imagine if we said the Holocaust was not a genocide, nope it didn´t happen....no maybe you can´t.  I know there are several topics here in TC that we have already discussed pertaining to this topic."

" I don´t think your going to find to many people in my country who will DENY what happend to the Native Americans.  Many of these tribes have tried to form an independant country,  however without the backing of our imports and exports it has failed.  I´m not even going to debate with you on what "genocide" was more barbaric...that´s just a ridiculous statement.  All genocides are a crime of humanity and to what degree is human life more sacred than others is not for me to try to determine.

People want to forget about the Armenian Genocide....but there is no statue of limitations on a genocide. Do we forget about the Jews? It appears the old Ottoman empire committed these crimes, therefore Turkey  has become an accomplence by it´s big campaign of denial.  I don´t view it as historical truth but rather an issure of morality and acceptance of truth.  By not resolving this....may have led to another misguided leader Hitler...who himself referred to what happen to the Armenians as a Genocide.  What happened after World War I, could have also been a display of behavior from past history which resulted of thousands of Jews being slaughtered.  Why is that historians don´t leave Hitler and the Holocaust alone?  Also, if want to blame anyone for all the lives lost in World War I you can blame your own government for leading you into this war.

There has been court decisions and admissions years ago, in fact Prime Minister Damat Ferid Pasha placed the blame on the young turks. Even an interview Ataturk back in 1926 stated the Young Turks should be made to account for the lives of millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en mass from their homes and massacred.  The United Nations Covention as well as the international community recognize it.  You ask why bring it up now after all these years...well let´s see things have a way of repeating themselves and unless we acknowledge and condemn this we are once again turning a blind eye.

What´s even more bothersome is the Turkish archives aren´t even open to the public.  They are only open to Turkish Scholars...which makes me believe they have alot to hide..  Oh and by the way if you believe in anyone´s judicial system fully, then you are really fullish yourself.