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Report reveals horrors of violence against Turkish women
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10.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:17 am

Wow! DK, that was some great info! Thanks so much for sharing..!!!

 

Could you please just explain to me better what "blood feud" is?

11.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:21 am

 

Quoting Trudy

The ‘reasons’ Turkish men abuse women

The report details the excuses Turkish men use for beating their wives: “The woman’s not wanting to engage in sexual activity, the woman’s gaining weight, her inability to bear children or her not bearing a male child, the food she’s cooked being too salty, burnt, cold or not according to the man’s tastes, not doing a good job ironing his clothing, being late in answering the door when he’s come home and knocked, the woman’s getting ill or not getting better after getting ill, leaving the home without permission, a couple’s child being unsuccessful, the home’s heater not being turned on, a child not looking like its father, the woman’s wanting a divorce, the woman’s interference in the man’s relationship with another woman, the working woman’s not giving her husband her entire salary, the refusal of ‘berdel’ [a type of arranged marriage], the woman’s wanting to work, the man’s being unemployed, family financial difficulty, the man’s soccer team losing a match, being warned by his wife about his alcoholism or gambling addiction, an argument between men about ‘machismo.

 

 

 So he is not beating her because she shouts back at him when he does,not because she pushed him back when he even touched her in an argument

And not because she swear back at him when he swear at her

And not because she kicked him out of the door when she knew he has relationship with another woman and said,´go back to where you came from!´

Ýnteresting...OMG !

12.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:26 am

 

Quoting catwoman

Wow! DK, that was some great info! Thanks so much for sharing..!!!

 

Could you please just explain to me better what "blood feud" is?

 

Maybe you would know it b y the word vendetta..

 

A blood feud is an ongoing feud between different families or clans, it is a cycle of violence, where the relatives/clan members of a person that has been killed (for example in honour killing but also in any other case), or dishonoured or whatever, look for revenge by killing relatives of the culprit or themselves.

 

So basically if a member of family A kills a member of family B, a member of family B will seek vengeance by killing a member from family A, where family A again reacts in murdering another familymember of family B. So it is an ongoing fight between two distinct groups (families,clans) with bloodshed that doesnt seem to come to an end.

 

I think vendetta is also used in English, but can also be used for any kind of continuous fight between 2 families, also if it doesnt include bloodshed.

13.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:27 am

 

Quoting Trudy

The ‘reasons’ Turkish men abuse women

The report details the excuses Turkish men use for beating their wives: “The woman’s not wanting to engage in sexual activity, the woman’s gaining weight, her inability to bear children or her not bearing a male child, the food she’s cooked being too salty, burnt, cold or not according to the man’s tastes, not doing a good job ironing his clothing, being late in answering the door when he’s come home and knocked, the woman’s getting ill or not getting better after getting ill, leaving the home without permission, a couple’s child being unsuccessful, the home’s heater not being turned on, a child not looking like its father, the woman’s wanting a divorce, the woman’s interference in the man’s relationship with another woman, the working woman’s not giving her husband her entire salary, the refusal of ‘berdel’ [a type of arranged marriage], the woman’s wanting to work, the man’s being unemployed, family financial difficulty, the man’s soccer team losing a match, being warned by his wife about his alcoholism or gambling addiction, an argument between men about ‘machismo.

 

 

 

 What i REALLY want to know,despite of the fact that beating itself is ugly and ..bla ..bla

But are those REALLY their excuses for beating their women ?!

14.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:28 am

Thank you for the explanation DK, that was very helpful.. I´m gonna read your first post again, it´s so interesting!

15.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:29 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

Maybe you would know it b y the word vendetta..

 

A blood feud is an ongoing feud between different families or clans, it is a cycle of violence, where the relatives/clan members of a person that has been killed (for example in honour killing but also in any other case), or dishonoured or whatever, look for revenge by killing relatives of the culprit or themselves.

 

 

 

 What does it called in Turkish ?

Ýn Egyptian we call it Tar..and its still happening in some country sides

16.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:36 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 What does it called in Turkish ?

Ýn Egyptian we call it Tar..and its still happening in some country sides

 

 I think it is ´kan davasý´, but Im not sure about it.

17.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:41 am

 

Quoting vineyards

I would say, there are so many old-fashioned couples where husband is the king of the family for all intents and purposes. Contrary to what you may expect, in some cases even spouses being university graduates does not change the brutal treatment wives receive from their "primitive" husbands.  Many of those are arranged marriages with the families of both spouses getting involved in every aspect of the relationship. It is a sad story the gravity of which can only be truely appreciated by those who live it.

 

 

 

 old-fashioned couples,and arranged marriages are not to blame.

Ýn my grandfather´s time,and even before it,the woman was the queen of the house,and her husband was the king.

He used even to call his wife name and add the title Haným out of respect,and note that Turkish is not our language,so the title haným to us is  like being called Lady..X for example

And at those times,all marriaged were arranged,and the elders get involve in every aspect of it.

So i dont think those are or can be elements of the problem,but the problem is in the personality of those men,and how did they brought up,and how they bringing up the second generation.

So in my opinion,women has great responsibilities in correcting things by giving the right ethics to the coming generation on condition..that

They know,believe,understand the stiuation they are living is NOT the normal and things SHOULD/MUST be not like that !

18.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:48 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 old-fashioned couples,and arranged marriages are not to blame.

Ýn my grandfather´s time,and even before it,the woman was the queen of the house,and her husband was the king.

He used even to call his wife name and add the title Haným out of respect,and note that Turkish is not our language,so the title haným to us is  like being called Lady..X for example

And at those times,all marriaged were arranged,and the elders get involve in every aspect of it.

So i dont think those are or can be elements of the problem,but the problem is in the personality of those men,and how did they brought up,and how they bringing up the second generation.

So in my opinion,women has great responsibilities in correcting things by giving the right ethics to the coming generation on condition..that

They know,believe,understand the stiuation they are living is NOT the normal and things SHOULD/MUST be not like that !

 

I definitely think that arranged marrieges are part of the problem. Such marriages only work when the community is actively involved in all people´s personal lives and these people do or don´t do some things for fear of the community´s rejection. In any environment where there is emphasis on personal happiness and personal space that is out of control of the entire community, arranged marriages cannot survive and various ways of acting out the anger and unhappiness will take place.

19.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:49 am

I agree that there are cases where arranged marriages can be very, very successfull. I know of people who were arranged for each other at the age they didnt even know their own names, and who now have a loving family, and have grown to love each other in the courses of their lives. But the idea of an arranged marriage itself and control of the family upon the marriages, is wrong in itself. That is different topic than those happy arranged marriages of the past. Society has changed, and in that change the chance of such an arranged marriage and/or excessive family involvement is not possible and will consequently result in problems.

20.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 03:03 am

 

Quoting catwoman

I definitely think that arranged marrieges are part of the problem. Such marriages only work when the community is actively involved in all people´s personal lives and these people do or don´t do some things for fear of the community´s rejection. In any environment where there is emphasis on personal happiness and personal space that is out of control of the entire community, arranged marriages cannot survive and various ways of acting out the anger and unhappiness will take place.

 

 Cat,i live in a community where all marriages were arranged about 50/60 years ago,almost all,and the exception was the otherwise.

So no,i cant say it is part of the problem.

The man who is capable of doing such things to a woman,would do it if he likes her/love her or not

There will be a time when he will say ´Ãm sorry honey,but you drove me to this...forgive me´

But the net result is....he already did.

Not because the marriage was arranged or not,but because the defect is within him!

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