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Report reveals horrors of violence against Turkish women
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30.       femmeous
2642 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 11:25 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 But vineyards,do they really abuse women for those reasons ?

Not because she shouted at him,yieled at his mother,pushed him...etc

Ý mean..really because of cold and salty food ?

do you beat, anyone who shouts at you? do you hit anyone who pushes you?

even in here in this spot i can see your mentality. so you would allow your husband to beat in a respond to your shouting or pushing?

 

A woman is not just a wife,she is a sister,a daughter and a mother...

 and if a woman is just a wife then what? is a wife has lower status than sister, daughter or mother?

 

 

31.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 11:39 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 

 Maybe if you read my previous posts,you may understand what i meant.

Ýts not a matter of picking up a fight here,read what i said first,then if it wasnt clear,i will clarify it...but i dont think you have read it!

32.       Melek74
1506 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 02:54 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 But vineyards,do they really abuse women for those reasons ?

Not because she shouted at him,yieled at his mother,pushed him...etc

Ý mean..really because of cold and salty food ?

Maybe the question seems strange,by all ways no excuse is accepted,but the way i think.

Ýf he abuse her for those minor things....then what sort of life those women have ?!!

How the women be looked at,at the society

Her role,position.

A woman is not just a wife,she is a sister,a daughter and a mother...

 

I´m not sure Canli, is those would be the actual reasons why they abuse the women. Maybe those are only "triggers" and, like someone said earlier, excuses. There´s a concept in psychology called "displacement" where a person can´t express their (usually aggressive) feelings towards somebody and re-directs those feelings/behaviors towards a "safer" object. So if, let´s say a man, is pissed off with his boss, he can´t hit his boss, but he "can" hit his wife. Maybe that´s a part of it - and some of the socio-economic factors mentioned earlier by others would possibly account for it. It does seem outrageous that salty food would be a reason for anyone to hit anybody else, but I do think that the reason lies deeper than that.

33.       Melek74
1506 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 03:08 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Woman is the nigger of the world

....

 

I agree. It is difficult to generalize the actions of a minority (or even a majority) of a population to the whole nation and attribute a behavior to one group vs. another. Research consistently shows that within-group diversity is greater than between-group diversity. As human beings in general, we´re more alike than different and maybe some behaviors are better understood as human as opposed to cultural phenomena. As a society however, we need to take responsibility for what we do with that and what actions we take to curb/eliminate that behavior.

 

34.       femmeous
2642 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 04:00 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

As a society however, we need to take responsibility for what we do with that and what actions we take to curb/eliminate that behavior.

 

 beautifully stated, in some societies the actions were taken and still are being carried out. however in some socities the primitive traditions backed up by primitve thinking are in power, a very little actions taken (those activists who are involved in human rights movements are often prevented from their works and some of them are even killed).

35.       femmeous
2642 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 04:03 pm

canli, if i say that you dont lie then i become a liar.

 

i think i personally was insulted and offended thousand times, but i dont cry. i can cope with criticism and negative attitude of people. i can cope with other people´s opinions.

36.       femmeous
2642 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 04:04 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 My debat is end with you...!

 

 you are repeating this since i appeared on this site

 

37.       Queent
183 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 04:17 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

canli, if i say that you dont lie then i become a liar.

 

Femmeous, Canli is not a liar, all she said with wise and clear words is so true.

You need to know the situations in our societies before saying someone is a liar.

 

Femmeous read this please:

9. Avoid personal disputes and arguments. Personal correspondence postings should be kept at a minimum. Personal attacks or insults directed towards other users will not be tolerated. Basically if you don´t have anything nice to say then just don´t say it all. If somebody posts an insulting comment do not reply to it. It will only result in starting a flame-war. Instead, send a Private Message to one of the forum moderators and they will take care of it.

 

thanks for reading my post

38.       Queent
183 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 04:28 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

Second: I highlighted some ´reasons´ for abuse and I know that is not only typical for Turkish males but that it happens everywhere for the same type of reasons in the world. But don´t shoot the messenger, it IS about Turkey and publiced in a Turkish newspaper...

 

Yes, it ÝS about Turkey and published in a Turkish newspaper.

I´m asking why don´t you or others find in Turkish newpapers good things to say about Turkey and Turks, why always looking for such kind of behaviours (that you can find in any country) and starting a debat about it.

39.       femmeous
2642 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 04:29 pm

 queent

 

canli perfectly knows what i mean.

truth doesnt mean wise, beautiful and clear words, truth is often painful. thats why canli often suffers when she sees my posts.

 

and basically, queent, if you dont have anything to say, then just dont say anything (according to the rules) 

Quoting Queent

Femmeous, Canli is not a liar, all she said with wise and clear words is so true.

You need to know the situations in our societies before saying someone is a liar.

 

Femmeous read this please:

9. Avoid personal disputes and arguments. Personal correspondence postings should be kept at a minimum. Personal attacks or insults directed towards other users will not be tolerated. Basically if you don´t have anything nice to say then just don´t say it all. If somebody posts an insulting comment do not reply to it. It will only result in starting a flame-war. Instead, send a Private Message to one of the forum moderators and they will take care of it.

 

thanks for reading my post

 

 

40.       Queent
183 posts
 26 Nov 2008 Wed 04:33 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 and basically, queent, if you dont have anything to say, then just dont say anything (according to the rules) 

 

I had what to say and I said it.

Thanks for replying me femmeous

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