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60.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 09:27 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Now, this is some bogus reasoning.

 

Why do we react so strongly against Kurds merely speaking Kurdish in parliment in Turkey, if you guys can do it in the UK?

Let´s see. For one thing, we are not a parlimentary monarchy like the UK nor are we a united confederation.

 

I was replying to THIS post - is that ok with you?

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 what is your official language dear? Can i talk in Turkish if it is not an orginized speach in your cabinet? how many people who watches BBC would understand me

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Should Arabic become a second official language in France. 1.5 out of 10 in France today is either a Muslim with a North African background or speaks Arabic as their first language. Should the Pakistanis and Indians press for their parlimentary linguistic rights, and demand that it is spoken in the British parliment? Should the Hispanics in the US demand that Spanish becomes the second official language in the US?

 

 This is completely different - I am not suggesting that immigrants should be permitted to speak their own language in parliament.  You do not need to lecture me about immigrants - we know more about them than you do".

 

 

Quoting cynicmystic

 

We don´t really have to take the UK as a role model in anything at all. You have got your own system, and we have got our own. You also have got your own delicious history of oppressing your minorities (as well as the foreign lands that you colonized), and we have got our own.

 

I don`t really see your point.

 

 

 

 Again, I was replying to Sui´s question.  Yes we colonized, oppressed and are happy to criticise our history (and present).  Come back and argue when you can do the same.



Edited (3/5/2009) by TheAenigma
Edited (3/5/2009) by TheAenigma
Edited (3/5/2009) by TheAenigma

61.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 09:59 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Should Arabic become a second official language in France. 1.5 out of 10 in France today is either a Muslim with a North African background or speaks Arabic as their first language. Should the Pakistanis and Indians press for their parlimentary linguistic rights, and demand that it is spoken in the British parliment? Should the Hispanics in the US demand that Spanish becomes the second official language in the US?

 

 

 Ouh how ignorant I am

Yes I see your point completely.  These Kurds are immigrants - how dare they demand rights!  Let me just see if I got my history right.... when the Turkish Republic was formed it consisted of just pure blood Turks.  Then nasty Armenians, Kurds and Greeks moved in.......?

62.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:31 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Ouh how ignorant I am

Yes I see your point completely.  These Kurds are immigrants - how dare they demand rights!  Let me just see if I got my history right.... when the Turkish Republic was formed it consisted of just pure blood Turks.  Then nasty Armenians, Kurds and Greeks moved in.......?

 

 Are you ok?

 

I am starting get suspicious about your health really...

 

Even though you are trying to be sarcastic... its sooo awful to hear such things...

63.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:36 am

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

 Are you ok?

 

I am starting get suspicious about your health really...

 

Even though you are trying to be sarcastic... its sooo awful to hear such things...

 

I am sure  she was being sarcastic but the truth is that we kicked out Armenians and Greeks years ago but kurds were quite numerous so we could not do that. 

64.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:41 am

This is the article caught my eye this morning.

Though it is not relevant directly to Ahmet Turk speaking kurdish in the parliment, but it tells us what mistakes we have been making all along ragarding  our Kurdish Problem:

 

 

..

One obvious example we encounter is the use of the word Kurd. For years we tried not to use the word Kurd.

 

We feared if we used the word Kurd some people would remember they were Kurdish. We couldn’t comprehend that even if we did not use the word Kurd and tried to make them forget they still would not give up their Kurdish identity. As a matter of fact, even though so many years have passed, we see today that nobody forgot about their Kurdish identity but only deceived us. ...

 

We have a hidden fear inside us. We are concerned that if we use this word someday there will be a Kurdistan established in some part of our country. For a substantial part of our society this is a valid fear. Thus we constantly call it northern Iraq. We justify ourselves by saying "We respect Iraq’s territorial integrity and call it that because we want to show that we oppose the Kurd’s wish for independence."

 

In contrast, the Iraqi Constitution states it as the "Iraqi Kurdistan Autonomous Region." A similar definition is present in Iran. This means that Iraq and Iran have no such worries. But we have not been able to get rid of our suspicions....

 

full article

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opinion/11136802.asp?yazarid=298&gid=260

 

 



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65.       si++
3785 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:41 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I am sure  she was being sarcastic but the truth is that we kicked out Armenians and Greeks years ago but kurds were quite numerous so we could not do that. 

 

Actually Armenians forced Turks to kick themselves.

There was mutual agreement between Turks and Greeks to exchange population. So we didn´t kick them.

What makes you think we should have kicked the Kurds. We fought together against the condors occupying Anatolia.

66.       si++
3785 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:44 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Again, I was replying to Sui´s question.  Yes we colonized, oppressed and are happy to criticise our history (and present).  Come back and argue when you can do the same.

 

No we cannot do the same. We didn´t colonized, we didn´t oppressed. Not much to citicise on our part.

67.       si++
3785 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:48 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

And..here is the site in the Welsh Language!

 

http://wales.gov.uk/legislation/?skip=1&lang=cy

 

And I think my point here is clear - if we can do this in the UK, why do you react so strongly against Kurds merely speaking Kurdish in parliament in Turkey?

 

What is the percentage of Welsh spoken in Wales, Scottish in Scotland and Irish in Eire? Poor guys, most of them cannot speak their language, right?

68.       chiko
135 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:50 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

 

Should Arabic become a second official language in France. 1.5 out of 10 in France today is either a Muslim with a North African background or speaks Arabic as their first language. Should the Pakistanis and Indians press for their parlimentary linguistic rights, and demand that it is spoken in the British parliment? Should the Hispanics in the US demand that Spanish becomes the second official language in the US?

 

 

Go ad search about  what rights Basque Regions in France have. Education, Law, TV, Radio.... everything is in their own language. And to compare Kurdish  in Turkey to immigrants in Europe is the lowest comment in this site.

69.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:54 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Actually Armenians forced Turks to kick themselves.

There was mutual agreement between Turks and Greeks to exchange population. So we didn´t kick them.

What makes you think we should have kicked the Kurds. We fought together against the condors occupying Anatolia.

 

ha ha

You are still at the same rethoric with the armenian issue: "yes, we did it, if necessary we will do it again"

Lets do not get into  how our primitive nationalism got rid of Greeks from Turkey..The history will embarres us as it was more than just a agreement for exchanging the population. 

yes..we fought together but years later we start going at them with  ´one nation one state´ slogans..

 

70.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:56 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

No we cannot do the same. We didn´t colonized, we didn´t oppressed. Not much to citicise on our part.

 

you are joking..Right?

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