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70.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 10:56 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

No we cannot do the same. We didn´t colonized, we didn´t oppressed. Not much to citicise on our part.

 

you are joking..Right?

71.       si++
3785 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 11:01 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Actually it had a lot to do with the topic - it was in reply to Sui asking if we have people in the UK who are allowed to talk their own language in parliament   I did not copy any sentences from Wiki, but did check the Welsh Assembly site to check that what I was saying was correct - is that a problem?

 

Your fixation about the Welsh Assembly is off topic though yes.  

 

Actually the two cases are not similar. It is more or less like this.

Assume that:

There is no Scottish parliament and there is a Scotland Party in the House of Lords. All the parties in the parliament get together weekly in a hall for a party group meeting and their party leaders´ weekly addresses are broadcast by BBC to the whole UK. Scotland party leader talks in English normally but this time he decides to speak in his mother tongue Scottish. And this is broadcast by BBC to the whole UK.

72.       si++
3785 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 11:02 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

you are joking..Right?

 

What makes you think so?

73.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 11:02 am

 

Quoting chiko

 

 

Go ad search about  what rights Basque Regions in France have. Education, Law, TV, Radio.... everything is in their own language. And to compare Kurdish  in Turkey to immigrants in Europe is the lowest comment in this site.

 

Agreed..

And so it seems to be the same in Canada:

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Default.aspx?aType=R...5.03.2009&CategoryID=98

it says:

Bu iki resmî dilin yaný sýra isteyen kendi anadiliyle eðitim veren okul açma ve hizmet isteme hakkýna sahiptir ve bu hak anayasayla korunma altýna alýnmýþtýr.

"Apart from two official languages, everybody has right to ask for education and service to be provided in their own language and this right is protected by the constitution"

 

I believe, if it was the case, there would not be a Kurdish problem right now in Turkey..

"How can you explain it some parts of Turks" is the real challange!!

 

 



Edited (3/5/2009) by thehandsom

74.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 11:04 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Actually the two cases are not similar. It is more or less like this.

Assume that:

There is no Scottish parliament and there is a Scotland Party in the House of Lords. All the parties in the parliament get together weekly in a hall for a party group meeting and their party leaders´ weekly addresses are broadcast by BBC to the whole UK. Scotland party leader talks in English normally but this time he decides to speak in his mother tongue Scottish. And this is broadcast by BBC to the whole UK.

 

So what? what is the big deal about it?

75.       mltm
3690 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 11:34 am

 

Quoting chiko

 

 

Go ad search about  what rights Basque Regions in France have. Education, Law, TV, Radio.... everything is in their own language.

 

"According to Article 2 of the Constitution, French is the sole official language of France since 1992. This makes France the only Western European nation (excluding microstates) to have only one officially recognised language. However, 77 regional languages are also spoken, in metropolitan France as well as in the overseas departments and territories. Until recently, the French government and state school system discouraged the use of any of these languages, but they are now taught to varying degrees at some schools"

 

 

76.       mltm
3690 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 11:42 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Let me tell you one very very important thing:

Some people speak English

Turks speak Turkish

Kurds speak Kurdish

I know it is suprising. is it not?

Geez..It took 40.000 people dead to understand this surprising fact!!

 


 

 

I think cynicmistic saw the point well. He did not deny that speaking kurdish was oppressed, but he said that making it the official language was different. The solutions to these two are completely different.

You say "Turks speak Turkish and Kurds speak Kurdish", so what´s your point now to say this in response to his post since he did not deny it, do you defend that Kurdish language should be spoken in the one parliemant? So, all of us have to know Kurdish and Turkish?

 

Or we will become foreign to each other in the same country, we will have two different parliments because we accept that there are two different people with two different languages?

 

 

77.       turquoise
938 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 11:51 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

And..here is the site in the Welsh Language!

 

http://wales.gov.uk/legislation/?skip=1&lang=cy

 

And I think my point here is clear - if we can do this in the UK, why do you react so strongly against Kurds merely speaking Kurdish in parliament in Turkey?

 

 i dont react the turkish constitution says that no other language allowed in any parliament or in a group meeting.

hearing you say why? they have some reasons to make it law.

anyway. believe me my point was different and maybe u couldnt understand. im NOT against kurds.I am the one of those who thinks turkish government should have opened a kurdish tv many years ago.cuz there are lots of kurds cant speak or understand turkish and they dont even know whats going on in turkey.some of them think that istanbul is an other country.can u believe that? but its true! it never bothers me when i hear someone speaking kurdish or other languages e.g. laz language,circassian,turkoman,bosnian,zaza language or armenian.

i wish we could live together really peaceful but we cant and we dont even wanna see that why we cant so its our fault.

78.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:01 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

No we cannot do the same. We didn´t colonized, we didn´t oppressed. Not much to citicise on our part.

 

 I think you need to study your own country´s history

79.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:03 pm

 

Quoting turquoise

 

im NOT against kurds.I am the one of those who thinks turkish government should have opened a kurdish tv many years ago.cuz there are lots of kurds cant speak or understand turkish and they dont even know whats going on in turkey.some of them think that istanbul is an other country.can u believe that? but its true! it never bothers me when i hear someone speaking kurdish or other languages e.g. laz language,circassian,turkoman,bosnian,zaza language or armenian.

i wish we could live together really peaceful but we cant and we dont even wanna see that why we cant so its our fault.

 

 I never said you were, and I agree with what you write above!

I have no argument with you - you asked about the Welsh Assembly and I replied. 

 

80.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:03 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

 Are you ok?

 

I am starting get suspicious about your health really...

 

Even though you are trying to be sarcastic... its sooo awful to hear such things...

 

 Typical answer from you, why not just correct my misinformation?

Instead you prefer to question my sanity



Edited (3/5/2009) by TheAenigma

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