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International Mother Language Day/Kurdish
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:03 pm |
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Are you ok?
I am starting get suspicious about your health really...
Even though you are trying to be sarcastic... its sooo awful to hear such things...
Typical answer from you, why not just correct my misinformation? 
Instead you prefer to question my sanity 
Edited (3/5/2009) by TheAenigma
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:05 pm |
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:09 pm |
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I think you need to study your own country´s history
Go ahead. Teach me what you think I don´t know about my own country´s history.
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:09 pm |
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What is the percentage of Welsh spoken in Wales, Scottish in Scotland and Irish in Eire? Poor guys, most of them cannot speak their language, right?
The most convenient source of statistics to hand is a survey published by the Welsh Office, Arolwg Cymdeithasol Cymru 1992: adroddiad ar y Gymraeg published about March 1995. It showed that 21.5% of the population of Wales (590800 people) speak Welsh; this divides into 32.4% of 3-15 year olds, 17.8% of 16-29s, 16.7% of 30-44s, 18.7% of 45-64s and 24.2% of over 65s. 55.3% of them (326600, 12% of the population) are first-language speakers, meaning someone who spoke more Welsh than English as a child at home. 13.4% of the population of Wales claims to be fluent in Welsh, and 66.1% claim no knowledge of Welsh at all.
Are you saying we should ignore minorities?
Edited (3/5/2009) by TheAenigma
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:10 pm |
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I never said you were, and I agree with what you write above!
I have no argument with you - you asked about the Welsh Assembly and I replied.
i know i just told that for you not to get me wrong.
and i just wanted to tease you and see if your playing fair or not when arguing
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:10 pm |
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????
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:13 pm |
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I think cynicmistic saw the point well. He did not deny that speaking kurdish was oppressed, but he said that making it the official language was different. The solutions to these two are completely different.
You say "Turks speak Turkish and Kurds speak Kurdish", so what´s your point now to say this in response to his post since he did not deny it, do you defend that Kurdish language should be spoken in the one parliemant? So, all of us have to know Kurdish and Turkish?
Or we will become foreign to each other in the same country, we will have two different parliments because we accept that there are two different people with two different languages?
The question here was never as ´do we allow two different languages in the parliment?´
Even Ahmet Turk who made that infamous speach, would deny that..
But the question is how a ´simple and symbolic act´ can become a big neusance for certain Turks.
That is the "proven point" here..
The incident itself by its nature the result of the oppression which you are accepting above..(You also accepted that in your Turkish post too..that was the reason why I thanked you for that)
And I am glad that we came up to the point now that we do accept there was an oppression and we have to blame ourselves first rather than blaming uk, germany, eu, usa and patagonia..
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:18 pm |
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The most convenient source of statistics to hand is a survey published by the Welsh Office, Arolwg Cymdeithasol Cymru 1992: adroddiad ar y Gymraeg published about March 1995. It showed that 21.5% of the population of Wales (590800 people) speak Welsh; this divides into 32.4% of 3-15 year olds, 17.8% of 16-29s, 16.7% of 30-44s, 18.7% of 45-64s and 24.2% of over 65s. 55.3% of them (326600, 12% of the population) are first-language speakers, meaning someone who spoke more Welsh than English as a child at home. 13.4% of the population of Wales claims to be fluent in Welsh, and 66.1% claim no knowledge of Welsh at all.
Are you saying we should ignore minorities?
I only asked if most of them can speak their own language. Your numbers show that they forgot to speak their language. only 12% of the population. Pretty soon they will be obsolete, I am afraid.
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:19 pm |
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Is there a Kurdish language or rather we should say Zaza, Kýrmançi, Sorani?
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:24 pm |
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Is there a Kurdish language or rather we should say Zaza, Kýrmançi, Sorani?
We are just beginning to warm up to the words ´kurd, kurdistan, kurdish´ at the moment.
I guess they will be dealt as minor details later on..
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05 Mar 2009 Thu 12:25 pm |
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No we cannot do the same. We didn´t colonized, we didn´t oppressed. Not much to citicise on our part.
Colonisation:
Was the Ottoman Empire a fairy tale?
Oppression:
- Between 1925 and 1991 speaking Kurdish publically or performing Kurdish songs was banned.
- "Human Rights Watch documents that the Turkish military forcibly evacuated villages, destroying houses and equipment to prevent the return of the inhabitants. An estimated 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey were virtually wiped from the map, representing the displacement of more than 378,000 people."
- There is oppression EVERYWHERE which affects anyone in public life including authors and poets. Rule 301 is not oppression? Even such websites as YouTube are banned!
I will not stoop so low as to mention the Armenians.
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