There were many incest news articles in the papers recently.. Almost one or two every week ; committed by Turks. I wonder if racist Kurds were quoting these articles in their forums to make their case that Turks are not worth living together and labeling all Turks as rapists by saying that  ´all of these shameful crimes are committed by the Turks.. Not us´..

Who knows..

did I miss something?
when did the subject change into incest?
if you want to see what the racist Kurds say about Turks, check out the kurdistan forum or whatever it is.

Taking what Turkish racists say about the Kurds, replace the word ´Kurds´ with ´Turks´ will suffice I think...

As far as the racism is concerned no difference at all..

i agree with you that Kenya is not a modern country.  There are crimes perpetuated in many countries out of ignorance, or false pride.  However, i strongly disagree with you that a ´modern´ country is not prejudiced against women.  It happens there as well, but in more subtle ways.  

For example, in the UK a woman is double as likely to be sentenced for murder than a man, five times as likely to be sentenced to jail for a similar offence than a man.  See, if a man kills someone in a drunken rage-then it is manslaughter, but a woman, being weaker, could not do that.  She needs to plan the deed.  So it is murder.  

I used to befriend Muslim women in jail- they usually were nice young girls who were duped into smuggling drugs for various boyfriends, again for they same offence they received much harsher sentences.....  

So please get off your moral high horse, and accept that injustice is not only a feature of poorer countries, but permeates most societies. There are laws in place in every country that are uphold the rights of women, unfortunately with economic poverty it is often not  possible to enforce these laws.  The problem is enforcement, rather than an absence of the laws. So in the USA  we have an estimated uncaught 500 mass murderers roaming the country, and if they stick to prostitutes, there won´t be an awful lot of effort being made to catch them, in Egypt maybe 500 honour killings... either way it is the women who suffer since they ´deserved´ it.  

Could not agree with you more!!!!

+100000000000000000000

Sorry for the late reply, tonsilitis kept me half conscious for a couple of days. There´s not much left for me to say, though, as I´ve noticed a few people already answered for me.

I just found it amusing that somebody would consider an individual incident that happens in Europe a christian tradition, but would swear that the numbers Wiki quotes as for honour killings in Muslim societies (a few a week in one country only!) do not prove anything. It also makes me laugh how Turkey doesn´t have a Kurdish problem, but whatever bad happens, it´s not Turks, it´s Kurds

Oh, and referring to Arafta´s question, yes, I do condemn crimes wherever they happen - be it Middle east, Africa, Europe or Pacific Islands.

Barkindo - of course gender equality in the west still has to be improved. But you can´t argue that it´s a general rule that fathers sell underage girls or that somebody would actually legally marry a 12-year-old. Or that police won´t do anything if they´re called for a home intervention after a woman reported domestic violence. You don´t need your husband´s permission to go to work and can sue their co-workers if they´re harrassed. In most cases - they win, the courts do not put the blame on them only because they are women. Also, mothers generally get the custody of children, not fathers. How many stories have you read about western women marrying Arab men, being beaten and unable to report it, or having reported it but still being ignored because they apparently deserved a good licking? How many of them were able to get custody of their children in case of divorce? There used to be a programme on Polish tv about detective who had a few successful cases of stealing women and their children from their Arab tyrants. All cases were true, although not all successful. So, please, don´t tell me that women in the west are discriminated in the same way women in the east are. because it´s not true.

and I find it amusing that you consider an idividual incident that happens in Arabia a muslim tradition. yes Turkey has this problem of Kurdish terrorism, or the Kurdish problem as you call it. Likewise you have a problem of oppression against the Muslims and Gypsies in Europe, and whatever bad happens you will blame not your christian people but the muslims and Gypsies.

oh btw. if you are so much into statistics, you may want to check out the statistical data on this link about the sexually abused children in the christian country of Canada.

It seems like they are strict followers of their church or those infamous christian priests.


http://www.child-abuse-effects.com/child-abuse-statistics.html

Edited (9/16/2010) by Arafta

The only reason why you are able to get your hands on statiscs is taht every reported case of abuse is registered.

At least it is being reported and not hidden like in some places.

like in what places? go ahead, tell us.

Edited (9/16/2010) by Arafta

I have a question for you arafta, why do you label countires by their religion?

Canada is one of the most diverse country religion wise.

Are you that intolerant towards other religions that are diffrent than yours?