Çok meşgul miyin? Are you very busy?  Please correct. Thank You

 Çok meşgul müsün?    My try

 I am not a native speaker. But IMHO you are correct.  This isn´t that complicated.

 İt is not ´miyin´ it is ´müsün´

Should it not be musun? Vowel harmony with meşgul?

yeah of course Mysty: it´s definitely cuz of the vowel harmony

çok meşgul MUSUN ? are you busy

but

çok meşgul MUYUM? Am I busy?? 

 meşgul is coming from arabic so its meşgul müsün

Any native can corect if im wrong.

who cares what the origins of the word is.. it´s now a Turkish word and therefore it undergoes the Turkish grammar.. so you´ll have to respect the vowel harmony in turkish:

so it would be

MEŞGUL MUSUN?

with no dots whats so ever

Actually ReyhanL ls correct Below ıs a native turks explanation as to why

Calitrix a member here wrote ıt ın answer to thıs questıon ın another post but for some reason I am havıng problem wıth the linkcut and paste

If you search meþgul ınto the TC search engine which on this site it is answered in other posts

Vowel harmony is based on the pronounciation. Not the spelling/writing exactly. some vowels have a bit different sounds from which they are supposed to have. For example, in "at" (horse), you definitely hear the Turkish letter "a". but in the last syllable of "sadakat" or "þefkat". these are not Turkish hard/bass "a". They have a sound between a and e, which makes them lighter. Meþgul´s u has also a sound between u and ü, and that makes it lighter than normal. For that reason, you cannot go ahead with -u- style vowel harmony but you have to go with -ü- style. which is like "meþgül müsün?", but sure that is not an "ü", so this is needs a trable/soft vowel: "meþgul müsün?

sorry strange double odd post

youre probably rıght Gülümseme but whats the poınt of beıng the only one who wrıtes ıt thıs way, when no one else ın Turkey does ?

oh sorryö ıt seems that there ıs a small percentage of people who use ıt

thanks  for the ınfo

Everybody else jumps off a bridge, you would follow ? and i think everyone is a bit of an exageration . Just look online or in newspaper and i see it

It´s not about jumpıng off a bridge and following, we´re talkıng about a language here, and languages change slowly so if Turkish people choose to say MEŞGUL MUSUN instead of MEŞGUL MÜSÜN then they´re 100 per cent right since they´re the native speakers.

Therefore you´ll have to follow, nobody these days uses thee and thou which were commonly used just about 200 years ago, and why is that? Because languages undergo changes.

Just to be fair, I did a bit of research regarding this issue, well you´re right it ought to be ´Meşgul müsün´ rather than ´musun´. Although I must admit that this is the first time I encounter it. However, it seems that the newer generation prefers the latter one  

Wow sorry I only asked a question. I didn´t wish to start a war

 This is the turkish language you want to accept it or not.  And its not about 200 years ago..its the alphabet and the rules that Atatürk made.

I´ll never accept ´cuz´ !!!!  (or the missing apostrophes)  That´s just bad.

Hey Sonunda I modified my message. I suppose now you´ll have to accept it )

Quote:Reyhan

This is the turkish language you want to accept it or not.  And its not about 200 years ago..its the alphabet and the rules that Atatürk made.

When I said 200 years ago, I thought it was obvious that I was refering to English. Since ´thee´ and ´thou´ are only used in English and NOT Turkish

So I don´t see How Ataturk is connected to all of this )

 You "newer generation" also prefer saatçı to saatçi? Or saatta to saatte? I am confused!

Ahh bless.  Thanks.   

saatçi/ saatte

but I dont know either anymore

you´re welcome

what about ´harf´ or ´ishal´ ...did you hear about these ?

yeah i have

what about them?

 These words are not respecting turkish vowel harmony too 

Quote: Reyhan

These words are not respecting turkish vowel harmony too 

So? What´s your point?!

As I always told my students ´ every rule has its exceptions´ 

ahhh yeah!

Quoting imantay

Quote: Reyhan

These words are not respecting turkish vowel harmony too 

So? What´s your point?!

As I always told my students ´ every rule has its exceptions´ 

 Are you a teacher?If you are,may I ask, if you don´t mind, what do you teach?

I WAS a teacher and I taught English

 OK.This explains a lot to me.

Can you explain what you mean, please??

 I wish you a happy year with full of big smiles and laughters.

Quote: upsy_daisy

I wish you a happy year with full of big smiles and laughters.

Thanks alot, I wish you the same

This has nothing to do with the above, but I´m gussing you´re English, correct?!

Quoting imantay

Quote: upsy_daisy

I wish you a happy year with full of big smiles and laughters.

Thanks alot, I wish you the same

This has nothing to do with the above, but I´m gussing you´re English, correct?!

You´re guessing wrong - she´s Turkish.  You´re not, are you?  

No actually, I am

For me, it has always been "meşgul müsün" as it has always been "meşgulüm" (I´m busy). The other way hurts the ears and sounds very funny.

If you ever see it in chats "meşgul musun" as there are a lot of turks who do not use turkish characters, it does not mean that they read it as they write.

 Thanks you Mltm! 

yeah Mltm youre right, but what misled me was the usage of the ´Ş´, so to me  if they  would use ´Ş´ why wouldn´t they use ´Ü´?

That´s how I got confused and thought it had to be musun and not müsün

 If thou art interested in how the vowel harmony works, here is some useful information:This type of exception in the Turkish vowel harmony has its own rules: Arabic origin words ending in "ince t" (Ottoman alphabet had 2 t´s:te and tı don´t follow the vowel harmony.Sıhhat-in, for example, kanaat-i, saat-im,etc.Foreign words ending in "ince L" don´t follow the vowel harmony:gol-cü, for example, normal-i, ishal-den,etc. I hope it´s clear now.

Quote: upsy_daisy

If thou art interested in how the vowel harmony works, here is some useful information:This type of exception in the Turkish vowel harmony has its own rules: Arabic origin words ending in "ince t" (Ottoman alphabet had 2 t´s:te and tı don´t follow the vowel harmony.Sıhhat-in, for example, kanaat-i, saat-im,etc.Foreign words ending in "ince L" don´t follow the vowel harmony:gol-cü, for example, normal-i, ishal-den,etc. I hope it´s clear now.

Thanks alot it makes sense now

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