Girleegirl, you may not like my angry writing style.

If i was someone who does not feel the harms of terrorism i would criticize myself too.

However, our 40000 citizens died because of terrorism. That hurts very much.

Terrorism goes on in Turkey because some people introduce them as freedom fighters although they are just bloody terrorists. Some people tries to convince other people that PKK is working for Kurdish society although PKK just uses Kurdish people and its harmful for Kurdish people mostly. Some people tries to turn the ethnic differences to hatred although ethnic differences are the base fertileness of countries. Some people can describe a terrorist organisation as successeful and they can unblushinglycan introduce themselves as peaceful.

Turks and Kurds are brothers and sisters. Millions of people think like that. But just like a classroom turns to be chaotic by two rapscallion students, the country turns to be chaotic by a very little amount of people who supports terrorism.

These people do not want the problem to be solved. They own their involvement to the hatred that they create.

If these terrorism supporters let us free, Turkish and Kurdish people lives in harmony, with very high socio-economic living standarts.

As i told before, I am Turk as much as I am Kurt. If someone can blame me with being racist, he must suspect of his own subconscious. Especially, if this person blames Turkish people in all his writings.

First of all, I have to mention that if a person believes, "people suddenly become terrorists out of blue" and doesn´t ask the question "why these people are taking arms and dying and killing people for something; what is the problem?" is not at the level of ´beyond the coffee house discussions´!!

We talked here extensively: Terrorism, most of the times, is the result of some underlying problems.. ie..Hamas reverts to terrorism, but it is the result of Israel´s treatments of Palestinians.. IRA used to do terrorism , they think Northern Ireland must belong to Ireland..
Recognizing the  cause of IRA terrorism does not mean you are supporting terrorism. IRA has been  a successful ´terrorist organization´..That does not mean ´IRA is not a terrorist organization´!!
If someone still believes that PKK is NOT a result of our almost ´100 years old KURDISH PROBLEM but terrorism only´ will be a mistake. It will be an immature mistake in a gigantic scale..
Our army and pathetic politicians tried to concince us as this is a ´terrorism only problem´ for almost 30 years.
The result?
-we have a Kurdish opening. We are giving some rights to Kurds!! if it was only a terrorism problem why are we giving these rights then? why the army is NOW accepting we have ´a problem´ and this problem can not be sorted by military means? it was not problem of terrorism..It was bloody related to denying Kurdish rights!!!
-If it was a terrorism only problem and that was supported by the foreign elements only, why on earth our president -and many- keeps saying ´Kurdish problem is our internal problem and we will sorted out in here´?
-If it was a terrorism only problem it could have been finished by now with the military means as we have the second biggest army in Nato. Why could not we finish those terrorists in 30 years?
(actually, people in Turkey started to change their mind about this issue anyway IN RECENT YEARS..Though, the racist party which gets 20 % of the votes, says this is a terrorism only problem. The -so called- social democrat party almost says the same thing because they are the opposition..Both parties do NOT get any votes from the KURDS.. That is the greatest indication that KURDS don´t accept what those both parties are saying.. Kurds THEMSELVES are rejecting the idea of ´this is A terrorism only problem´. KURDS are not voting for the parties that say this is terrorism only..That is the bottom line)

When we come to number of people died in our Kurdish problem, that 40.000 is ´slightly wrong´.. The actual number is much higher.. We have to look at who died and how!!
I remember giving the official values in my earlier posts.. If people investigate who got killed by whom, the numbers are shocking!! It is easy to say ´ah 40.000 dead. terrorism ect.´ But if you don´t have guts to investigate "who died and how; how many times Turkish government was convicted in EU human rights courts; how many villages got burnt with the idea of ´fighting terrorism´ etc; how many people got killed by the deep state-they say 17.000. That number itself is a shocking number!!- how our own officers collided with the PKK terrorists; How many ex PKK terrorists were used in this war; how many local militias were paid by the state etc´, what you are saying will always be hanging up in the air as ´the words from the army bulletins´ which contains  every single indication to make people skeptical that they are hiding something..

Lets look at the situation of PKK. It is a terrorist organization..They have been fighting the second biggest army of Nato for almost 30 years.. They are still up there..in the mountains.. The longest Kurdish uprising was not more than 2 years in the past. PKK´s fight described by our ex president Demirel as "a rebellion of Kurds". 26th (If I am not wrong) Kurdish rebellion!!
if this is one -pkk one - terrorism only..what about the others?!!! were they all terrorism only? our ex president was wrong all together?
Peh!!

The matter of fact is that looking at the Kurdish problem as ´terrorism only problem´ COST my country a lot.. We don´t want this problem to cost anymore; NOT want to waste any more lives..
This has not been terrorism only..It was the result of ´us not giving the basic right to Kurds´.

As the head of PKK said once, ´changing one item only in our constitution will finish the war´.
As a matter of fact, if people are ready to say ´we have KURDS in this country and they are as much citizen as TURKs. They live in Turkey and they are ENTITLED TO HAVE ANYTHING TURKS HAVE -such as language; education; recognition etc´ there wont be any Kurdish problem yet alone terrorism problem..

I will try to summarize the problem according to my point of view.

There is a terrorist organization called PKK (The Workers’ Party of Kurdistan). They attack to the security forces, raid villages and make bombings. Their biggest income occurs by drug, human and gun smuggling. Foreign intelligence services condone their smugglings because these services use PKK especially for gun smuggling. Also these intelligence services keep feeding PKK to use them for destabilizing and weakening Turkey so that forcing Turkish Government to do their wishes especially in foreign policy issues. Also these services do not want a powerful Turkey in order Turkey owns a significant potential to be the leader of the region and hinder their plans for the region. The region we mention here is the Middle East in the strict sense and Afro - Eurasia in the broad sense.

Some foreign countries directly support PKK by providing those guns, financial assets and training their militants. Some countries provide PKK broadcasting opportunities and most countries let PKK to be organized in their territories.

There is a political party called BDP (The Party of Peace and Democracy) they have 20 parliamentarians in the parliament.  The management level of that party is in cooperation with the PKK. Their mission is to show the ethnical differences as the reasons of social disintegration. Most of their statements aim to turn ethnical differences into hatred to Turks. They claim Kurdish people are second class citizens in Turkey. They introduce the poverty of Kurdish people as a result of their ethnic origins. They represent themselves as Kurdish people’s defenders. They aim to earn Kurdish societies’ support with that way. And they receive a significant support from Kurdish people. The reason of that support is the trust of Kurdish society to Kurdish origined people and some Turkish governments’ especially military coup government’s oppressive administrations.  Although military coup government’s oppressive administrations were valid for the whole country regardless the ethnicity, political backgrounds, social groups etc. by the effect of the provokers Kurdish people has believed that they are the only group who is being affected of that administration. The biggest mistake of the Turkish Government is to lose innocent Kurds trust depending on these oppressive administrations.

The civil governments of Turkey especially none super nationalist ones believes in there is no problem between Kurdish people and Kurdish people and Kurds and Turks are brothers and sisters. The majority of Turkish people think that way.  Kurdish initiative has begun based on this idea. However, PKK has begun to increase their attacks after that initiative has been released. BDP displayed a serious opposition to those policies. Because both PKK and BDP owe their involvement to hatred among the society. They do not want the Kurdish people to be richer and more educated because it is easier to convince and use people who have almost nothing to lose. That is why they want to keep Kurdish society under good living conditions that is why municipalities under BDP government in the South East do not serve a qualified service to the citizens.

What Turkish Government must do is to cut the support channels of the PKK. A well organized public relations work must been performed to earn the Kurdish societies trust back and show Kurdish society that the PKK and BDP wants them to remain poor and uneducated rather than representing their rights. The government has to show that the ropes of PKK and BDP are in the hands of foreign intelligence services.

What we, ordinary people can do is, just not to accept terrorism as a way of “claim of rights” not to let someone who introduce ethnic differences as struggle reasons. To refuse the ones who want to deepen ethnic differences and use them as reasons of disintegration. Not to believe their so called peace expressions. Say them ethnic differences are our main fertileness. Turkish and Kurdish societies’ links are very strong enough to solve all problems that provokers and government mistakes created.

Everybody has to stop supporting terrorism and introducing ethnic differences as the reasons of disintegration. Otherwise we will lose more Pınars and more Şilans.

 You seriously want to justify terrorism???  What is wrong with you? 

Do you hear about my people, the Native Americans, going around killing innocent people because of injustices to them?  NO! 

There is NO EXCUSE for terrorism.  EVER.  PERIOD.  END OF STORY.

 I don´t give a second thought to your writing style. 

Perhaps you think because I am American I haven´t been touched by terrorism but you would be quite wrong and it hurts just as much whether it is one, 3000 or 40000 who died.

The fact remains that as long as people perpetuate hatred and continue to spread it in the name of righteousness, this will never end.

I think you should go back and read what I wrote..

I was not trying to EXCUSE the terrorism..

"You will never ever finish terrorism without knowing what  is causing it"..

You have to KNOW what the problem is in the first place, to solve the problem.

In fact Turkey´s Kurdish Problem is a great example for what is wrong with ´terrorism only´ approach..

Not only in Turkey actually, you can not finish terrorism without knowing what is causing it anywhere in the world..

PERIOD..END OF STORY...NO MORE STORY TO TELL.. NIGHT NIGHT 

The thread started about the tragic loss of a beautiful young woman who 40 days before had been a bride. She  loss her life by the hand of a terrorist organisation, but yet again it has turned into an argument about the rights and wrong of terrorists and all terrorism is is the use of violence and imtimidation to achieve politcal ends.  Terrorist will never be stopped because  there is always someone who wants to feel they are more powerful than others and will do anything to gain this control.

I think you misunderstood the entire argument here..

This is not about wrongs or right of terrorism or terrorists.. It never was..

This is about ´trying to prevent the future deaths by getting rid of the  conditions that are creating the terrorism´.  (UK did it, Spain did why not us? )

We have been crying for almost 30 years because we did not look at what was making those terrorists as terrorists.. 

We dont want to cry more. 

I am sorry for the loss of an innocent woman. I am not very good at offering condolences nor do I expect people to share my own pain. There is one real suffering here, it is the pain borne by the family and close friends. Everyone else should at least try to be respectful. There is no way we can truly share their pain. We can not make up for the grief that will probably last a life time by uttering a few smart words.

There is a certain group of people who call themselves social democrats, socialist or the like. There is no doubt these people are fond of reading, writing and talking. The problem is they read books that put them in a perpetual vicious circle. The more they read the more isolated their brains become. This cycle turns them into individuals unable to feel, think or desire anything that conflicts with the train of thought they are fed.

Their philosophers have provided them with an oversimplified understanding of life and the world. The friends and foes are strictly classified. Canned statements about select political arguments are also provided. So, whoever talks about a certain matter he says exactly the same thing about it. This is more like a primary school setting; if you follow some basic rules you stay out of harm´s way.

This mechanism makes you virtually bullet proof. Most often criticized aspects of the ideology are protected by sacred verses written by Marx or Engels. The more you know about them the more sophisticated you appear. No body questions whether there is life beyond the ideology. Thanks to the colored books they read, the world is so simple, people are so straigthforward and nothing can go wrong in it. Voila! 

This is almost the case here actually..

You can even NOT argue ´about the peace´ with brain washed people..

Even going back to them with simple ..very simple arguments like ´peace or not´, ´are you with the war or with the peace?´

Their washed and dried brains wont accept the fact that they are THE PROBLEM..

We have been listening these for almost 30 years and my country has lost almost 70.000 people.

Once more:

are you against the killing or not? any killing!!

are you against the war or not?  any war!!

These are just simple questions!!! Very simple..

If you are unable to come up and say  clearly ´I am AGAINST ANY WARS, I AM AGAINST ANY KILLINGS´

You are the problem..

I personally AGAINST ANY TYPE OF KILLING AGAINST ANY TYPE OF WAR..

 No i did not misunderstand. UK got rid of terrorists!! really??