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120.       si++
3785 posts
 30 Jan 2011 Sun 07:02 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

Quote:si++

Some say they think it was a genocide, some do not. It´s a controversial issue.
Just like what happened to my people and we did not instigate any war crime trials, we moved on.  The diffrence is that for my people it occured in 1755 and for the Turks and Armenians it ocured in 1915.  The wounds are fresher.  And notice I did not take one side over another. I think you are already on their sides. I don´t expect you to belive anything Turks would say Denying that something happened does not make it go away. So what exactly did happen? How do you it happened as the way Armenians say it did?

 

It is like the Holocost, some say it happened some say it did not.

 

• Are you aware of any Turkish sufferings? Both sides suffered losses during the intercommunal warfare, which were worsened by the contagious diseases prevalent at the time and the scarcity of food and medicine.


• Do you know about the role of Armenian church in cultivating and financing terrorism?


• Do you know the roles of imperialist powers of the time to ethnically cleans the Turks, using Armenian nationalists?


• Do you know of Armenian rebellions?


• Are you aware of Armenian atrocities committed under Russian uniforms? They had collaborated with the invading Russian troops and perpetrated acts of violence against the Turkish villages in Southeastern Turkey during the World War I.


• Are you aware of Armenian atrocities committed under French uniforms?


• Did you know that the courts took place (Malta & Istanbul) and the Ottoman officials were found not guilty? English courts worked hard to find a guilty but no one was found

 

121.       stumpy
638 posts
 30 Jan 2011 Sun 07:40 pm

Yes si++ I am aware of all of that, I am not an ignorant little country girl that is not aware of what is going on around her and around the world.

122.       stumpy
638 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 12:23 am

Quote:si++


I think you are already on their sides. I don´t expect you to belive anything Turks would say
Do not tell me on who´s side I am on si++.  Why would I not belive what Turks would say.  I have a mind of my own and I can make up my own mind without the help of anyone.  If I would not belive a word the Turks say I would not have friends that are Turkish.  And why do you assume that I am on the Armenians side??  Is it because I am catholic like them?  Come on si++ give me more credit than that! 

123.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 02:50 am

 

Quoting stumpy

Si++ why do you write "so called" Armenian genocide?  Is it that difficult to beleive?  Should we also be saying "so called" Jewish genocide of the nazi rule?  How many other "so called" genocide have occured around the world?

No where in the source document you posted does it say "so called"  Is it because the Armenians were catholics that you say "so called" genocide?

As long as there have been humans on this planet there has been genocides.  As soon as one denomination is singled out for elimination by another denomination it is a genocide.

 

I think si++ may have said "so called" because there is no proof either way. It is like saying that some thing is "alleged" or someone is "suspect." Anyway...lets just agree to disagree.  

 

Have a nice day everyone!!{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

 

124.       stumpy
638 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 03:56 pm

then alleged would have been more appropriate than so called in this case

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125.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 04:15 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

then alleged would have been more appropriate than so called in this case

 

Well I guess its in how you interpret things, stumpy.  Some of us are more willing than others to jump all over fellow classmates for syntax. 

126.       stumpy
638 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 04:40 pm

Quote:Elisabeth

Some of us are more willing than others to jump all over fellow classmates for syntax.

and I am one of the first ones that has been jumped all over when I ever dare post anything

 



Edited (1/31/2011) by stumpy

127.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 09:29 pm

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

A Message from Mr. Tolga ÇAKIR to friends in UK
Subject: London Conference: Prejudice, Deception, and the Armenian Question

Dear Sir / Madam,

You are kindly invited to attend our annual conference on the 4th February 2011
on the subject of “Turkish- Armenian Relations”, details of which are attached.
The guest speaker, Prof Justin McCarthy specializes in the social and demographic history
 of the Modern Middle East, particularly Turkey and the Ottoman Empire.
He is presently Distinguished Professor of Arts and Sciences and Distinguished
University Scholar at the University of Louisville.The event will be chaired
by Professor Şevket Pamuk who is the Chair of Contemporary Turkish Studies
at the European Institute, London School of Economics and Political Science.
He is a leading economic historian of the Ottoman Empire, the Middle East and modern Turkey.
This is the fifth conference in the series and has been organised in the memory
of 34 Turkish diplomats and other innocent victims who were murdered by various
Armenian terrorist groups between 1973 and 1985.
The aim of these conferences is to promote mutual understanding and
discuss issues concerning Turkish-Armenian relations both recent and historic
on an academic platform.
We very much hope that you will be able to attend the conference.

Yours sincerely,

FTA UK

You are kindly invited to attend an evening conference entitled

‘TURKISH – ARMENIAN RELATIONS’

Friday, 4th February 2011, 6 pm for 6.30 pm


Venue:

Sheikh Zayed Theatre,
London School of Economics,
New Academic Building,
Lincoln’s Inn Fields,
London WC2A 2AE

GUEST SPEAKER
Prof Justin McCarthy
“Prejudice, Deception, and the Armenian Question”

For those who study the troubled history of relations between Turks and Armenians,
the question naturally arises, “How could so many have been so wrong?” Why did Europeans
and Americans at the time, and still today, believe a story of persecution that is demonstrably wrong?
The answer lies in ignorance, prejudice, and deception. Ignorance made politicians and
editors, then and today, believe whatever fit their prejudices. And prejudice caused them
to ignore the facts before them. Instead, they accepted the often deliberate falsehoods
spread by Armenian rebels and their supporters. This presentation offers examples of
the deceptions that lie behind what is commonly believed of the Armenian Question.

CHAIRED BY
Prof Şevket Pamuk

128.       si++
3785 posts
 09 Feb 2011 Wed 10:17 am

ICG warns of war risk between Armenia, Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan´s President Ilham Aliyev (L) and Armenia´s President Serge Sarkisian. AP photo.


Azerbaijan´s President Ilham Aliyev (L) and Armenia´s President Serge Sarkisian. AP photo.

 

Escalating front-line clashes, a spiraling arms race, vitriolic rhetoric and a virtual breakdown in peace talks increase the chance Armenia and Azerbaijan will go back to war over Nagorno-Karabakh, with devastating regional consequences, the International Crisis Group, or ICG, warned Tuesday.

The Brussels-based group’s report, “Armenia and Azerbaijan: Preventing War,” highlights the deterioration of the situation in the past year. “Increased military capabilities on both sides would make a new armed conflict in the South Caucasus far more deadly than the 1992-1994 one that ended with a shaky truce,” the ICG warned.

“Neither side would be likely to win easily or quickly,” the report said. Even if neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan is planning an immediate all-out offensive, “skirmishes could easily spiral out of control,” it warned.

 

Source: here

 

I expect a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia will break out inevitably unless Armenia stop to occupy Azeri territory. Azerbaijani army are getting strong and they fell confident to get back their lands by force if not by peace.

129.       si++
3785 posts
 10 Feb 2011 Thu 10:34 am

Turkey´s New York cab bid painted as ´Iranian´ plot

 

The ads published in a New York newspaper aim to pressure the city ahead of a crucial decision on New York´s cabs.


The ads published in a New York newspaper aim to pressure the city ahead of a crucial decision on New York´s cabs.

An advertising campaign targeting Nissan and Turkish company Karsan in their bids to supply the “taxis of tomorrow” for New York City alleges the two companies have business ties with Iran. The campaign, sponsored by an Iran-focused coalition, calls on New Yorkers to petition the mayor to not choose either company.

The group claims Karsan exports vans to Iran in cooperation with the local Sanat Khuorda Kamau company and does business with the National Iranian Gas Company.

Karsan told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review in an official statement that it has no current business relations with Iran, admitting that the company has traded with companies within the Islamic Republic in the past.

 

Source: here

130.       si++
3785 posts
 24 Feb 2011 Thu 05:28 pm

The oldest swinger in town? Milly, 96, makes £50,000 a year... as an escort

 

Times have changed: Milly Cooper says these days girls have ´vast boobs and skinny bodies´ (posed by model)

Times have changed: Milly Cooper says these days girls have ´vast boobs and skinny bodies´ (posed by model)

A woman who has worked as an escort since the end of the Second World War is still earning £50,000 pounds a year from her sex services - at the age of 96.

Milly Cooper was swept off her feet by a wealthy American at the age of 27, and moved from London´s East End to Las Vegas.

But he died in action in 1945, leaving her with a baby daughter and no regular means of support.

Milly, who had worked as a showgirl, was coaxed into becoming a high-class escort - and was soon earning a small fortune in the United States, where she has lived for most of her life.

She moved onto become a madam, handling bookings for ten girls, and continued in this line when she married her second husband, an accountant, in 1955.

He left her £100,000 in his will but she continued her work as a madam to make sure she never ran out of money.

In 1979, after nearly a 25-year break from providing personal sex services, she resumed that part of her life - and has continued as an escort ever since.

Milly, who has slept with 3,500 men, says her clients range in age from 29 to 92.

She currently sees two clients a week, earning up to £800 each time.

 

Source: here

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