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1.       burakk
309 posts
 29 Oct 2013 Tue 06:49 pm

Around 100 thousand İzmir dwellers who have gathered up in Gündoüdu Meydanı in İzmir upon the call of the Platform of the Communion Force for the Republic, altogether, sang "Our Oath" which has been forbidden from being sang in schools.

 

İzmir ´de Cumhuriyet İçin Güçbirliği Platformu´nun yaptığı çağrı üzerine Gündoğdu Meydanı´nda toplanan yaklaşık 100 bin İzmirli, hep birlikte, okullardan kaldırılan ´Andımız´ı okudu.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ddc2Pitx3g

 

http://www.gercekgundem.com/video/guncel/96/100-bin-izmirli-andimizi-okudu



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2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Oct 2013 Tue 07:05 pm

 

Yes the oath WAS a racist oath from 1930s, inspired by fascist  dictators of Europe like Musollini and Hitler.

One of the many articles -in Turkish-

http://www.dunyabulteni.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=154599

 

 



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3.       burakk
309 posts
 29 Oct 2013 Tue 09:15 pm

shame shame shame all those hundreds thousands of racist fascists defending your country and your freedoms

 

so what its inspired from whomever. our national anthem was inspired by the french one, the slavers and imperialists of their time. shall we ban it too? o wait our clothings are inspired from the world war 1 allies, our enemies who killed us by millions. lets ban them too? nationalism was inspired from greek colonists cities who enslaved 3 million people from the antic civilizations. lets ban it all! lets ban the flag, lets ban the turk, lets ban everything. afterall internet wasnt inspired from the ww2 german intelligence technology! definitely that means internet is a fascist anti semitic tool! stop using it!



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4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Oct 2013 Tue 10:47 pm

 

Quoting burakk

shame shame shame all those hundreds thousands of racist fascists defending your country and your freedoms

 

so what its inspired from whomever. our national anthem was inspired by the french one, the slavers and imperialists of their time. shall we ban it too? o wait our clothings are inspired from the world war 1 allies, our enemies who killed us by millions. lets ban them too? nationalism was inspired from greek colonists cities who enslaved 3 million people from the antic civilizations. lets ban it all! lets ban the flag, lets ban the turk, lets ban everything. afterall internet wasnt inspired from the ww2 german intelligence technology! definitely that means internet is a fascist anti semitic tool! stop using it!

 

Peh!!

Do you really beleive those hundreds of thousands were chanting our racist oat because they are defending my country and my freedom? defending from who? what freedom are you talking about? Are you sure they were just NOT reactionists?

dont you think it was a great shame to force young kids to chant something coming from 1930´s racist Europe? Hitler had millions behind him.. Did those millions make his racist ideas right?  if there was a few million instead of a few hundred thousands chating our oath in Izmir, will it make it less racist?

I think you should really check your ground, read more about your subject and then  decide where you stand.

There have been many many columns, articles, debates about this issue here and there . Why dont you read one of those :http://www.taraf.com.tr/haber/andimiz-bir-ayrimcilik-yaratma-urunuydu.htm 

 

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 30 Oct 2013 Wed 08:35 am

What a bunch of idiots write about an oath I took, makes no difference.

Agop, sen yeminden ve sadakatten ne anlarsın ?

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6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Oct 2013 Wed 10:04 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

What a bunch of idiots write about an oath I took, makes no difference.

Agop, sen yeminden ve sadakatten ne anlarsın ?

 

If your pledge or your oat is the oat for your racism, that has to go mate..

No place for racism in a secular, modern, humane society!!

 

7.       burakk
309 posts
 30 Oct 2013 Wed 08:29 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

If your pledge or your oat is the oat for your racism, that has to go mate..

No place for racism in a secular, modern, humane society!!

 

 

its not racist. its nationalist. because turkey is a nation, not an ethnic race. there are around 200 different turkish ethnicities in the world, 75 of them present in modern turkey.

 

this is the anthem of germany:

 

German women, German loyalty,
German wine and German song
Shall retain in the world
Their old beautiful chime
And inspire us to noble deeds
During all of our life.
 |: German women, German loyalty,
  German wine and German song! :|

 

there are 16 million non-germans living in germany.

 

 

 

anthem of france:

 

What does this horde of slaves,
Of traitors and conjured kings want?
For whom are these vile chains,
These long-prepared irons? (repeat)
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What fury it must arouse!
It is us they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!

 

of england:

 

And did those feet in ancient time.
Walk upon Englands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

 

 

i guess none of these countries you count as humane since theyre all racist pigs.

 

 

so stop with your "racism has to go from humane societies" bullshit. all you want is to degrade turkish people.

 

 

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8.       vineyards
1954 posts
 31 Oct 2013 Thu 02:34 am

See below



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9.       vineyards
1954 posts
 31 Oct 2013 Thu 02:34 am

1930´s was a Jacobean period for Turkey led by a Jacobean leader who has been hailed all around the world as a great leader and a hero in his own country.

Even his enemies gave him full credit for his achievements. Some of his enemies for example, Churchill was not a lesser racist than some of the fallen heroes of the day. He is famously known as not regarding Turks proper human beings. Even Churchill sang praises of Ataturk upon witnessing the transformation he achieved in his country.

Criticizing Atatürk for his patriotism is like expecting Socrates to write his comments on a football match played yesterday. A shallow perspective leads you to this anachronism. The general public remembers Victor Hugo as a humanist but he is also responsible for what we call today post-colonial racism. Every knows the true merit of Hugo, we can´t understand Hugo without remembering the time frame.

By the way, I am not a fan of these oaths and the stuff. I believe they belong to a people who emerged victorious from an all-consuming independence war. They were left alone with depleted resources and an untellable kind of poverty and destitude and laid the foundation of modern Turkey. 

We are where we are today thanks to their selfless and relentless efforts to defend their motherland. They are our forefathers. They were the unlucky ones who fought a series of bloody wars that were inflicted on them due to an unskilfull management that left the country to the mercy of greedy foreign invaders.

True these oaths smell passion, determination and maybe there is something bad about them but... one must understand the time-frame, the feelings of those who wrote them.

When I hear them today, I remember that determination which has persisted over time and came down through generations to remind us of our bloody and miserable past. Straightforward reasoning doesn´t work here. Here is a good example, everybody hails the Renaissance as the period of enlightening but no one remembers how much blood was shed to make it possible. Straightforward reasoning declares Renaissance like a feast of salvation from barbarism, the truth is it was just a new chapter in the history of mankind marked with brutality and oppression that gradually reached such a high level that it caused a series of immense social breakdowns giving way to the destruction of a number of established institutes which resulted in a shift in the way governments and society perceive themselves.

Future is not safe unless we remember the calamities of the past.Yet, it may be unnecessary to teach those oaths to small children who can´t understand their true context. They learn about sexuality elsewhere. Israeli government instills military awareness into the minds of young generation. Those oaths are not a big blow to democracy as democracy is still a fancy name elsewhere in our world.



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10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 31 Oct 2013 Thu 11:17 am

 

Quoting burakk

 

 

its not racist. its nationalist. because turkey is a nation, not an ethnic race. there are around 200 different turkish ethnicities in the world, 75 of them present in modern turkey.

 

this is the anthem of germany:

 

German women, German loyalty,
German wine and German song
Shall retain in the world
Their old beautiful chime
And inspire us to noble deeds
During all of our life.
 |: German women, German loyalty,
  German wine and German song! :|

 

there are 16 million non-germans living in germany.

 

 

 

anthem of france:

 

What does this horde of slaves,
Of traitors and conjured kings want?
For whom are these vile chains,
These long-prepared irons? (repeat)
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What fury it must arouse!
It is us they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!

 

of england:

 

And did those feet in ancient time.
Walk upon Englands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

 

 

i guess none of these countries you count as humane since theyre all racist pigs.

 

 

so stop with your "racism has to go from humane societies" bullshit. all you want is to degrade turkish people.

 

 

 

It is racist.

Its racism is coming from 1930s Europe.  

Half way civilized countries abandoned  these racist oats and pledges long time ago.

Insisting on a racist oat is embarrassing for Turkish people. 

Racism has to go!!!!



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