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Our racist oath
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07 Nov 2013 Thu 04:55 pm |
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Nationalism, patriotism and racism are all perceived differently depending on one´s point of view. For example if you are a lefty you can take the freedom of grouping these concepts and using them to make your word salad appear richer. How can you lose an argument if anyone who disagrees is automatically a racist?
If you are a conservative and if you are adressing to a group of so called leftists, you will group red, communist, socialist, anarchist and infidel together. You don´t have to bother about the differences among those.
Today the biggest patriotic nation in the world is the USA followed by England, France and Germany. They are against all this word salad and they have no interest in wasting their time with name calling. Instead they safeguard their national interests brutally.
yeah exactly. this is one of the reasons why i get so angry in these subjects. because strong nations are immune to these word salads. because people who are trigger-happy with this name callings towards smaller countries are afraid to do the same to usa england france etc. its frustrating.
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07 Nov 2013 Thu 05:17 pm |
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Really, this is silly. I asked you what the problem is and why you call the oath racist, you didn´t answer. I asked you if it was the name Turkey you find unacceptable, no answer.
Most countries have settled on a name for their country. Many of the names actually are derived from some tribe or another, but we don´t hear the people getting upset and calling the names recist. Here, take a look:
Endonyms and most exonyms for Poles and Poland derive from the name of the West Slavic tribe of the Polans
The name "England" is derived from the Old English name Englaland, which means "land of the Angles". The Angles were one of the Germanic tribes that settled in Great Britain during the Early Middle Ages.
The name "France" comes from the Latin Francia, which means "country of the Franks". There are various theories as to the origin of the name Franks: one is that it is derived from the Proto-Germanic word frankon which translates as javelin or lance as the throwing axe of the Franks was known as a francisca.[20] Another proposed etymology is that in an ancient Germanic language, Frank means free as opposed to slave.
Hungary, Atilla the Hun
In the 7th century, Bulgar tribes (likely of central Asian Turkic origin), migrated to the lower courses of the rivers Danube, Dniester and Dniepr under the leadership of Asparukh. After 670 he moved into the Balkan Peninsula with a horde of 50,000 Bulgars across the Danube and in 680 severed Scythia Minor from the Byzantine Empire. A peace treaty with Byzantium in 681 and the establishment of a permanent capital at Pliska south of the Danube marked the beginning of the First Bulgarian Empire. The Bulgars gradually mixed up with the local population, adopting a common language on the basis of Slavonic."
pretty much. what we know as germany now is actually the land of like 200 gaul tribes. germans, alamanni, teutons, they all called those lands home. if we were to reduce every country to their ethnic demographic borders there wouldnt be any government left in this world. is racism only applicaple to militaristically and economically weak countries? why shoudld racism or any other blame be directed towards a country as a whole? more importanty, why academic arguments that are about demographics become political and result in people getting murdered? one should think on these.
Edited (11/7/2013) by burakk
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07 Nov 2013 Thu 07:00 pm |
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yeah exactly. this is one of the reasons why i get so angry in these subjects. because strong nations are immune to these word salads. because people who are trigger-happy with this name callings towards smaller countries are afraid to do the same to usa england france etc. its frustrating.
Dont get frustrated.. 
I can assure you that no kids get in line and screan their heads of ´I am English, I am hard working blah blah.´ in the UK.
They would not do that type open racism under the sunlight and wrap it up as ´nationalism´.
Edited (11/7/2013) by thehandsom
Edited (11/7/2013) by thehandsom
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18 Nov 2013 Mon 09:55 pm |
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Actually, you didn´t. What you did do is evade the actual answer and claim you answered. That´s the tactic of The Big Lie...and
"There´s nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it." - William James The father of modern Psychology
Nothing is silly here.
I explained zillion times why our oath was racist. You had your answers zillion times.
We are not going back and repeat them again!!
Th conclusion is as cyristal : ´our oath was racist and it has gone for good´.
That is the bottom line.
My comments above were directed to an individual(s) and not a generic comment at all anyway.
And for the nationalism vs racism: No racist call themselves racist. They all call themselves patriots or nationalists.. Important things is to find the line between.
Edited (11/18/2013) by alameda
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19 Nov 2013 Tue 07:57 am |
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Your credit here is running low Agop ! 
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19 Nov 2013 Tue 04:58 pm |
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Dont get frustrated..
I can assure you that no kids get in line and screan their heads of ´I am English, I am hard working blah blah.´ in the UK.
They would not do that type open racism under the sunlight and wrap it up as ´nationalism´.
i already pasted the english "racist" anthems and marches to you. obviously you skip posts. if you want more you can google racistm in england. im done doing your google searches for you.
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19 Nov 2013 Tue 07:12 pm |
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Avrupa değerleri Avrupa çerçevesi bu tür problemlere çözüm bulmak için kullanılır. Türkiye’de azınlıklar da var her yerde olduğu gibi. Bunlar sorunlara neden olabiliyor. Birkaç yıl önce her şey çok daha zordu. Bugün Türkiye’de insanlar ikinci kimliğini de söyleyebiliyor. Bu tür insanlar sadece Türkiye’de değil Balkanlar’da da böyle insanlar var. Müslüman azınlıklar var. Her azınlık grubunun etrafına bir sınır çizerek onları ayrıştırırsak, etnik olarak arındırılmış devletler kurmaya çalışırsak, Avrupa düşüncesine aykırı olur. Biz ortak değerlere inandığımızı söylersek, o zaman bu sınırları değiştirmeyiz. O zaman sınırlara saygı gösteririz. İnsan haklarına, azınlık haklarına, inanç özgürlüğüne saygı gösteririz.
George Papandreou
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20 Nov 2013 Wed 12:56 am |
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Actually, you didn´t. What you did do is evade the actual answer and claim you answered. That´s the tactic of The Big Lie...and
"There´s nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it." - William James The father of modern Psychology
Actually, I did.. Not once but many many times. And you KNOW IT. 
Our oath was a racist one. I know it, you know it, EVERYBODY knows it.
It was a great embarrassment for all of us.
It has gone for the good.
That is the bottom line.
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21 Nov 2013 Thu 06:06 am |
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Um....well you must excuse me, but I sure didn´t see it. Can you direct me to where you explained what you meant by the term "racist" in regards to the oath? I asked it it was the word Turk....but you didn´t answer that...(maybe I missed it?) Is it that you are against oaths in general, do you have a better one you would like to share?
Actually, I did.. Not once but many many times. And you KNOW IT.
Our oath was a racist one. I know it, you know it, EVERYBODY knows it.
It was a great embarrassment for all of us.
It has gone for the good.
That is the bottom line.
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21 Nov 2013 Thu 11:50 am |
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Um....well you must excuse me, but I sure didn´t see it. Can you direct me to where you explained what you meant by the term "racist" in regards to the oath? I asked it it was the word Turk....but you didn´t answer that...(maybe I missed it?) Is it that you are against oaths in general, do you have a better one you would like to share?
Alameda, I wonder where you were when we were discussing about ´Turk´ is being the name of a race and apart from a few sentence, it has been used for the race. Obviously, it has been bothering many people. Because they are not Turkish!! Would you be happy to see your children forced to scream their heads of every morning if you lived in Turkey as an American citizen?
And it really naive to think the entire thing was not racist.
Can you defend the racist italian or german oaths from 1930s?
No..
You can not.
It is the same thing.
It was racist and it is gone for good.
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21 Nov 2013 Thu 01:31 pm |
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Alameda, I wonder where you were when we were discussing about ´Turk´ is being the name of a race and apart from a few sentence, it has been used for the race. Obviously, it has been bothering many people. Because they are not Turkish!!
This is from the column of Fatih Altaylı:
"Galatasaray´da okuduğum sırada din dersi zorunlu değildi.
Bazı arkadaşlarımız bu derse girmezdi.
Bazıları Ermeni´ydi, bazıları ise Yahudi.
Girmeyen Türk öğrenciler de vardı ama niye girmediklerini anlamazdık, çünkü o zamanlar ´Alevilik´ diye bir ayrışmanın olduğunun farkında değildik."
Bu satırlara itiraz geldi.
Sevgili Hayim Pinto şöyle dile getirmiş itirazını:
"Bu tanımlamalar doğru olmamış Müslüman olmayabiliriz ama biz de Türk´üz."
Pinto´nun bu satırlarını okuyunca gözlerim doldu.
Mutlu oldum.
Sevindim.
Türk olmayı, Atatürk´ün Cumhuriyet´e kazandırdığı Türklük tanımını bundan daha iyi hangi sözcükler ifade edebilirdi.
Üstelik de Hayim Pinto bu sözleri bundan 15 yıl önce söylese önemli değildi.
Bugün daha önemli.
Türk olmak "demode" olmuşken, hatta neredeyse "ayıp" olmuşken bunu söylemek gerçekten değer taşıyor.
Translation:
When I was in Galatasaray school, the class about the religion was not compulsary. Some of us wouldn´t take it because they were Armenians or Jewish. There were some Turks who didn´t take it as well and we didn´t understand then why they wouldn´t. We were not aware that there was a separation called alevism.
I received an objection from one of my readers about it. Hayim Pinto (my note: the name suggests that he is a Jewish) writes:
"OK we may not be a muslim but we are also Türk"
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