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Honor Killing in Turkey
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26 Oct 2006 Thu 11:52 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x:
Let me give an example. As little as 50 years ago, paedophiles were commonplace in society (including UK). /QUOTE]
Paedophiles are still common in society and always will be.
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 12:12 am |
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Quoting aenigma x: No no no! I just cannot agree with you Kai. You think we should all sit back and accept what is wrong because of different cultures and traditions? If we all sat back and did nothing, we would not be enjoying the freedom that we currently have. It is easy for you to say this as you sit in your nice warm home, feeling safe from harm.
People CAN and DO change things for the better. It is the brave ones who are willing to make an effort to protest, to write letters, to discuss these things who make change. If we all did nothing, we would be living like cavemen.
Culture is one thing, tradition is one thing - basic human rights are quite another.
How the hell can you say this...?
Aenigma, I get where your coming from, honestly I do. Unfortunately, you have those people who have been raised in a culture that you or I cannot fathom. Think about all of the excuses you hear about terrorists. Well, let's see those people were raised to think killing is their calling, they don't know any different. This maybe true to a degree, however it's not acceptable and shouldn't be tolerated by society. However, no one wants to take a stand. So many countries sit back and harbor terrosim. I think about all of the heroic people overtime and what hardships they faced to make a substantial change in our society, to make a real difference. Where would we be today, really? Where will we be tomorrow, if we just look the other way? Hmm, pretty scary to think about.
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 01:57 am |
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Quote: Quoting alperhkn: why dont you leave those to the persons privacy?? is virginity only between legs?? |
'Those who love (to see) scandal published broadcast among the Believers, will have a grievous Penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: Allah knows, and ye know not..' nur
where is it, if not EVEN there for both men and women?
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'first of all if you quote sth from a book please do it much more better...' for example: Nur Suresi 16/64
as a reply:
Listen my friend, this is what you believe... and follow... and how you live... no body says anything about how you want to live...
so here,
mentality is much more important than physical touch for me... i am not a strong believer... so i am not the right person with talking such things... virginity in mind(no lies,tricks etc..) is much more important for me, than a virginity in a body...
its perfect when you find both in one person... but! look around you... its almost impossible to find one like that... the abortion age has been decreased to 15 these days... and this is not that surprising as information technologies and media is developping so fast..
on the other hand... who are you to say anything about people's lives? doesnt Allah give them mind to control their lives? dont you know that the person who commits bad thing will be responsible for what he/she has done?
lastly, the topic is that:
a 15 years old girl was raped... and killed by her brother... for cleaning his name!! this is all of us shame... this is Turkia's shame who doesnt bring education there...
this is what should have been discussed...
finally, people lives however they want... it doesnt bothers me... and i dont see virginity between only legs... this is what matters... people has their minds and its up to them how to use them...
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 02:06 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting CANLI: Pardon me !
Maybe i'm a bit ignorant here,but is it for girls to have sex before marriage is one of the measures of civilized countries ?!
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how did you come up with this, i am really trying to understand?
does anybody said that "in civilized countries, girl must have sex before marriage" ?
why you are interested so much in that?? why dont you leave those to the persons privacy?? is virginity only between legs?? |
İf you are asking how did i came up with that,you can read the privouse posts.
And if you are asking why am i so much interested in that,well i don't see how you came up with this,for that is my first post in that topic!
Beside i guess we are having a discussion here,so i'm entitled to have my opinion too,maybe you like or not,but it is my right to have an opinion as same as you do.
Don't you agree ?! |
No no...i am not saying against your saying what you think about this occasion.... i was just curious...
how you asked a question as "girls having sex before marriage is a measure of civilization?"
this questin is too absurd... dont you think so too??
didnt you feel weird while typing it??
how can you measure degree of being civilized with private things? its peoples private lives... and they are responsible for what they have done... noone can say anything them... only their creator... am i wrong??
whatever... i shut up... just wanted to answer... no offence please
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 02:14 am |
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Quoting teaschip: Quoting aenigma x: Aenigma, I get where your coming from, honestly I do. Unfortunately, you have those people who have been raised in a culture that you or I cannot fathom. Think about all of the excuses you hear about terrorists. Well, let's see those people were raised to think killing is their calling, they don't know any different. This maybe true to a degree, however it's not acceptable and shouldn't be tolerated by society. However, no one wants to take a stand. So many countries sit back and harbor terrosim. I think about all of the heroic people overtime and what hardships they faced to make a substantial change in our society, to make a real difference. Where would we be today, really? Where will we be tomorrow, if we just look the other way? Hmm, pretty scary to think about. |
GRRRRRRR I am sooo angry that you think I like to sit back and watch terrorists do what they do because I BLOODY WELL DON'T!!!! I HATE terrorists and I ALWAYS will! I watched the 9/11. I was 11 and I saw it all, do you REALLY think that I would like to sit back and watch terrorists do what they do and not be bothered about it after seeing that? |
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 02:27 am |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting CANLI: Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting CANLI: Pardon me !
Maybe i'm a bit ignorant here,but is it for girls to have sex before marriage is one of the measures of civilized countries ?!
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how did you come up with this, i am really trying to understand?
does anybody said that "in civilized countries, girl must have sex before marriage" ?
why you are interested so much in that?? why dont you leave those to the persons privacy?? is virginity only between legs?? |
İf you are asking how did i came up with that,you can read the privouse posts.
And if you are asking why am i so much interested in that,well i don't see how you came up with this,for that is my first post in that topic!
Beside i guess we are having a discussion here,so i'm entitled to have my opinion too,maybe you like or not,but it is my right to have an opinion as same as you do.
Don't you agree ?! |
No no...i am not saying against your saying what you think about this occasion.... i was just curious...
how you asked a question as "girls having sex before marriage is a measure of civilization?"
this questin is too absurd... dont you think so too??
didnt you feel weird while typing it??
how can you measure degree of being civilized with private things? its peoples private lives... and they are responsible for what they have done... noone can say anything them... only their creator... am i wrong??
whatever... i shut up... just wanted to answer... no offence please
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hmmmm,not really,i didn't feel wierd while typing my question lol
İ felt wierd while reading some posts,and felt that they are implying something like that !
Read some previous posts and you will understand where did i get my question from,
And by the way,it was not a real question as much as it is a critical qustion !
And i agree with you,it is people private lives,and they are responsible for what they have done too,and no one have the right to judge them,or question them too except their Creator,and their rulers by the authority that given to them from the Creator,we live in community and ruled by rules,we don't live alone,don't you agree ?
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 02:37 am |
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Quoting CANLI: hmmmm,not really,i didn't feel wierd while typing my question lol
İ felt wierd while reading some posts,and felt that they are implying something like that !
Read some previous posts and you will understand where did i get my question from,
And by the way,it was not a real question as much as it is a critical qustion !
And i agree with you,it is people private lives,and they are responsible for what they have done too,and no one have the right to judge them,or question them too except their Creator,and their rulers by the authority that given to them from the Creator,we live in community and ruled by rules,we don't live alone,don't you agree ? |
ofcourse, there is laws etc... to obtain the peace in the society...
but i dont think private lives would effect those rules... being just, not lying are much more to do with that huh?
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 03:09 am |
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Quote: Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting alperhkn: why dont you leave those to the persons privacy?? is virginity only between legs?? |
'Those who love (to see) scandal published broadcast among the Believers, will have a grievous Penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: Allah knows, and ye know not..' nur
where is it, if not EVEN there for both men and women?
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'first of all if you quote sth from a book please do it much more better...' for example: Nur Suresi 16/64
as a reply:
Listen my friend, this is what you believe... and follow... and how you live... no body says anything about how you want to live...
so here,
mentality is much more important than physical touch for me... i am not a strong believer... so i am not the right person with talking such things... virginity in mind(no lies,tricks etc..) is much more important for me, than a virginity in a body...
its perfect when you find both in one person... but! look around you... its almost impossible to find one like that... the abortion age has been decreased to 15 these days... and this is not that surprising as information technologies and media is developping so fast..
on the other hand... who are you to say anything about people's lives? doesnt Allah give them mind to control their lives? dont you know that the person who commits bad thing will be responsible for what he/she has done?
lastly, the topic is that:
a 15 years old girl was raped... and killed by her brother... for cleaning his name!! this is all of us shame... this is Turkia's shame who doesnt bring education there...
this is what should have been discussed...
finally, people lives however they want... it doesnt bothers me... and i dont see virginity between only legs... this is what matters... people has their minds and its up to them how to use them... |
My friend, I am a graduate of literature so I know how to write referances but I did what I did intentionally..
anyway, first, thanks for respecting my ideas.. I do the same for everyone as much as I can.
If someone loses the virginity between legs without marriage (both men and women) that is the result of the mental corruption in mind, I agree with you it is NOT ONLY between legs. and I agree "its perfect when you find both in one person" Dont be so pessimistic about today's girls and boys, I know too many girls and boys trying hard to keep their virtue. If u change your environment I am sure u can also see too many of them. (no offence just a friendly advise)
I didnt undersatnd what you mean while asking who are you to say anything about people's lives? Did I say anything like that?? I have given examples what you wrote here.. everyone is responsible for what they do .. I didnt understand what you mean.. the verses I have written explain that clearly..
regards..
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 03:21 am |
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People CAN and DO change things for the better. It is the brave ones who are willing to make an effort to protest, to write letters, to discuss these things who make change. If we all did nothing, we would be living like cavemen.
I agree with that idea, coem on my friend, lets talk about the solutions, what can be done for the evil things happening all around?? without an offense or defense, lets just share ideas.. Who knows maybe the talkings may turn into action (which I belive should turn)..
with your permit I will start..
As a religious person I think if the thought, image and comprehend of the life Hereafter is taken from people's minds, if nobody thinks about a punshment or reward for the things s/he do in this life then the life will turn out to be incredibly cruel. Because strongs, powerful ones will try to do anything in order to have control and be pleased. They will never accept any limitations which they will dislike..They will have no moral values which are the basic necessity in societies..and there will be no respect at all.. because the question comes to mind: why the hell should I obey the rules and limit my already limited life with such rules.. why should I work honorably? I dont have much time in this world so I have live how I wish.. They will mos probably never respect anyone's freedoms unless has a virtue given by the Creator...
(I am sorry I need to go now, we will continue..)
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 03:51 am |
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in Jordan....such type of killing considered as a crime..and in last year of saddam husseins's regim also was a crime.....
but it is the eastern beliefes..it is seen as washing the honor of the family..
its hard to the family that thier 15 girl had a sexual relationship...but not enough to kill her...
the other side then should be punished..coz he was the one who does the first crime: have sex with 15 years girl...
thats how i think
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27 Oct 2006 Fri 08:39 pm |
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Hmm... Honor is very important...
But being fair and compassionate is vital too..
I think these events are seen due to the fact that the Turkish justice system has collapsed and the moral values of people have been destroyed...
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