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Thread: Hayallerimi Bırak-grup gundogarken

1921.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 May 2008 Wed 03:46 am

Lovely song ,thx



Thread: What are you listening now?

1922.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 May 2008 Wed 03:29 am

Elissa & Emrah - Wehyat El Hob - For the sake of love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtR71O8KHNE&feature=related



Thread: What are you listening now?

1923.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 May 2008 Wed 03:04 am

Ayamy Beek ...My days through you
Elissa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fADPYuUMOMU&feature=related



Thread: CHINA EARTHQUAKE

1924.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 May 2008 Wed 03:01 am

Our hearts with you all



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1925.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 05:39 pm

Thank you guys,i enjoy debating with you too

Quoting armegon:

Im sure CANLI got bored, writing the same things here just like before i was doing. But u still do not consider any of them and stay bounded and brainwashed.



True armegon,i got bored,very much too,and sometimes dont join in debats
But with people who are debating for the sake of debating,passing time,their minds are set for what they think,and they dont want to understand otherwise,but they are bored and just want have some fun
Those i dont bother with anymore,let them think or say what ever they want,at all cases it wont harm me nor my religion what they say,or what they believe,and certainly i dont wait for their aproval over anything regarding my religion
İn few words,i dont care less,so i dont bother!

But in the other hand,there are some members who you also enjoy debating with,you correct some info if they got it wrong,try to explain the logic,and also understand how do they think,what do they understand about you,also you know that there are some people there who are still capable of thinking and not brainwashed by their media ,they are welling to know and understand about you not just condemning you like others !
And with such members,you dont have to rebeat yourself,what you have talked about before,you dont do it again 'i dont do it,dont need to much too'
Because they listen,even if they dont agree,as same as you listen too even you dont agree
And that is what makes the debating nice with them
As Deli has said,we agree on disagreeing



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1926.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:32 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Thanks for the historical and social context Canli. I could have guessed the desert reason but I've never thought of Mohammed's wives. The hijab you posted was nice. I remember seeing such colourful scarves in Turkey as well. It looks nothing like burkas.

Yeah, I find burka funny. As funny and ridiculous as wearing shorts so short that your buttocks are showing, 15 cm high heels and a top barely covering your nipples. these are two extremes - one the bag type, the other the hooker type. Of course the fact that I find it amusing doesn't mean so should everybody. If some people wear burka because they like it, it's their choice. The same in the other case.

I've heard about women wearing sexy underwear under burka, my dad's friend were on a mission in Libya. I also know what was the only way soldiers could have sex with the women there lol A friend of mine who does a lot of travelling, told me how it amazed him that women who cover their whole face but the eyes, would spend hours doing make-up. He laughed that women are vain regardless of where they live

I can't imagine wearing burka, but I wouldn't be seen showing everything in the street. I don't have a problem undressing on a beach but I agree with Teas that dress code is necessary. You can't go around wearing a bikini...


Actually,i dont like niqab 'burka' too,and i see no reason for it,its as you said extreme
İt make things harder for women to walk around,even do her duties too
Life is moving fast,and she cant move along wearing it
But im aginist making fun of them or make them joke materials,its their choice and we must respect it
İ've known some of them and they were really fun, nice girls and women,and deserve respect

And yes,from what i know ,its not only in libya,also in the Gulf,Saudi arabia,and İran
Women put on very modern clothes under burka,sometimes one you cant wear it out yourself
They think,not because they wear burka they shouldnt take care of their looks even if it was only for themselves,also in those countries,women get together
İ mean when they are visiting each other,the men stay together and women sit together,so they took off their Burka
İts cycle all related to each other,and way of living too i guess
But yes,women are women no matter how or where they live

İ agree there is code for dressing also,and its necessary.
You shouldnt wear jeans where you should wear classic closes
But that doesnt include if i put hijab or not because its not open for discussion here
İts part of our believes
Same like Nuns,you cant,and actually you dont ask Nun to take off her viel because its not appropriate for the place she is walking or being in .
Even hijab or covering hair is not order in Christianity,but its the nuns choice..
But still you respect that !
At same time it is order in our religion,and when we follow you question it ?!
Ps:you is generally speaking



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1927.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:08 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont know the history of burqa specifically but women putting veil on their head is not islamic historically.



That is something i agree with you about it,women were vieled also before İslam in different shapes
Some cover all the hair,some cover part of it,but all were vieled
Here in the past all the women were vieled,no matter Muslims or Christians 'and there werent Nuns!',now you can still find it same in the country Christian women are also vieled,you cant know Muslim from Christian there



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1928.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:03 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting CANLI:


ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason, we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change


And I think this is where the issue becomes something more than “personal choice”.

Quoting CANLI:


İslam were a new religion with many enemies,so out of safety,they put it on so people dont know who they are,for their own protection


So only the women have enemies and need to protect themselves by covering their hair and bodies?


I apologize if I am missing something here canli, but it seems that you keep contradicting yourself. In one post you say it’s a personal choice but in the next you say that Allah ordered it and it is fixed and that is the rule. How can it be both?



Well gg,yes you've missed lots of things actually
Seems that you didnt read all the posts above.

First,there is no contradiction there what so ever in what i've said
Hijab is order from ALLAH and that is not a personal choice,how you dress up according to this order is a personal choice
Something you are responsible about infront of ALLAH
Here we are agian

Quoting CANLI:



Well,if you want to put on make up or not its also personal choice,you should cover your hips,but if you dont its personal choice also...something between you and ALLAH

ALLAH ordered us to put on hijab for some reason,we should cover our bodies and cover our hair
That is the rule,and its fixed,no change
But its different how you apply it,İslam and Quran is for all times,in the past women didnt go out for work 'they didnt have too'
So they could wear long and wide dresses,and they did
But today,women go to Uni,work,do shoppings,its more safe,and more close to the meaning of the order 'in my opinion' not to wear wide dresses ,not practical unless in some situations
But again as i said,its personal opinion or choice,some women do wear wide dresses still



Second,i wasnt discussing hijab here when i was talking about enemies,hijab is an order from ALLAH in İslam and im not discussing that or reasons for it,i was refering to Niqab and the story of it in İslam and how it started

Sure not only women's have enemies and need to protect themselves..
They were not ANY women they were the wive's of Mohamed SAV.
İ will make it simple to you
There are lots of security around your first lady but not around all the women in USA,yes ?!
İt same,a way of protection to them ,so no one track them and attack them

So if you reread all the posts again,you will see i wasnt KEEP contradicting myself in anything at all.



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1929.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:05 am

Quoting Daydreamer:



I'm just curious - why do women decide to wear it if it's not justified by religion.


Well,as my understanding,it goes long backward
Arab women used to wear burka,something to cover up their noses and mouths specially while travelling for they were in the desert ,so it was very much suitable for their situation,even men used to do same.
İn İslam women weren't ordered to cover their faces,only prophet Mohamed SAV wives did for a reason too
İslam were a new religion with many enemies,so out of safety,they put it on so people dont know who they are,for their own protection
There was some incident happened 'i dont remember it' so they put it on after.

Women today,who put it on 'whom i asked' said,they try to resemble the prophet wives
Other said,that time 'Zaman' is not good now,so they protect themselves this way!

Wish this helps,that is what i know about it,maybe there are other reasons someone else can explain to you.
Anyway,everyone to his/her reasons!



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1930.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 01:15 am

Hijab is the order not burka
Burka is when you cover your face also,yes ?
We call it niqab
İts not ordered in quran



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