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Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1941.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 10:04 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting CANLI:

Ps:'you' is generally speaking



Thanks for clarifying that canım

I just think it is endearing really, to only be able to defend cruelties of your religion by comparing it to another one. Needless too

Maybe I understood the meaning of devout wrong as not native speaker, I just mean someone who follows the rules as given, and tries to adapt them to his life as much as possible



You still didnt get my point...
Walk backward ...the claim is ''Islam sanctions massive violence and hatred.''
The proves are ?!
Crusad,Middle East,Vietnam,Palastin,Afghanistan,İraq
Those were made by what,under what flag ,and who?!

İt wont lead you to İslam....
So you dont want me to say they were made under Chritianity and by Christians not İslam and Muslims ?!

You now are saying 'cruelties of your religion'
Ok give me proves ?!
İ gave mine,from the past and recent history,and even present
What are the cruelties that made by my religion?!
We both are living in the same world...
So now,point it out!



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1942.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:55 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting CANLI:



But you are free to wear as you want !
Maybe only in İran you are not...so do we



Actually this is not always true. It is not only Iran dear. Im glad I havent experienced it myself, but I know of someone from university who was charged to be killed with stones in Afganistan for wearing a t-shirt, and a cousin has been in prison in Saudi Arabia for 2 nights because she didnt walk with a man on the street.

And its a bad thing you were asked for marriage. It means they looked at you as an object without your hijab


You are still talking about countries which applying İslam in their own system and in a wrong way too
İran,Afganistain and Saudi Arabia
What about the rest of the countries ?!
They have high Muslim population rates,and you still can wear what you like there

And without getting into much personal,you can see it same as it is still happening in some places in Türkiye,i was friend of the girls and knew the mothers,so they wanted me to be one of the family
İ refused of course
But still i cant say they looked at me like an object...maybe they have liked me ?



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1943.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:41 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting libralady:

You ''many of West'' believe that Saudia Arabian,or Muslims,or people in the third world are not developed enough,not modern enough,dont have open minds...less freedom in thought behaviors...bla bla bla...ect



I wouldnt say such a thing at all, eventhough Im from the west. Fact is: you can wear a burqa or hijab in the UK or the Netherlands pretty safely. If I dress the way I do (which is very decent) in Iran, to give an example, we all know what would happen! In the luckiest case I get sent to prison or sent back home! There is a big difference in open mindedness on that topic!



Well,atually me too even im Muslim,cant wear my hijab in İran and would be sent to prison ,or home
İts not a matter of Western or Muslims here,its matter of system
İm Muslim,and in İran i would be treated same as you
They force religion there,and its not in İslam,they are not ALLAH messengers in Earth to judge me or anyone,only ALLAH have that right
But take any other country except İran,Saudi Arabia 'even i believe you can wear normal in Cidda or Riyad i guess'
So yes,you can wear what you want without being sent back to your home



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1944.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:33 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I agree with Canli and Cat - everybody should be wearing what they want. I know in Egypt I can wear tops and shorts, but what Islamic countries that don't live off tourism? Will I be free to wear my top and shorts there as well?

In Western countries you're free to wear your burkas and hijabs. We, Western women are not free to do it in yours so where's the justice?

As for what I mind about covering yourself up is when at the border control, covered women try to "protect" their right to stay covered. What about my right to feel safe in my country? How can I know who's trying to get in?



But you are free to wear as you want !
Maybe only in İran you are not...so do we

İ've been to an arab country years ago when i wasnt putting on hijab yet,and all the women 'except foreigner of course'in the city i was in were putting on burkas or hijab
They didnt force me to put on hijab or wear as they wear,they didnt talk about it either,they accepted me between them as i am,even i got many marriage proposals too hee hee
But yes,they were staring at me while walking in the streets,everyone knew im Egyptian even without saying
İ felt not comfortable about it,but STİLL i was allowed to wear as i want
That was years ago,so i believe now things have changed also,so yes,i guess you would be allowed to wear tops and shorts if you want

As for feeling safe and secure,of course at the border controls or any place that required showing your identity women who are covering theirselves should show their faces
İf there is a woman available in the place so she has no problem,if not,then also she should show her face to the one in charge
İslam said 'La darar we la derar' means 'you be not harmed but also you dont cause harm'
And allowing unknow person in the country or place that can cause harm



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1945.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 09:08 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:



Canli, you should stop dragging christianity into every discussion



When claming that 'Islam sanctions massive violence and hatred.' what do you expect me to compare it with except other religions,which Christianity is one of them ?!
Beside,the crimes which i've mentioned in my above post were made 'Crusad' under the Christianity flag
and our present ones are made by Christians not Muslims'İraq,Afghanistan,Palestine' so speaking from those facts i cant see how such claim can be true !

So actually,if you open a discussion about religions,you must accept that we talk about ALL religions if appealed,not only about one
You are attacking or lets say criticising my religion so you must accept my attack or criticising to yours!

Quoting Deli_kizin:


It would work if you, as a devout Muslim woman, would be debating with a devout Christian woman. But since this is not the case, christianity is just an empty argument.



Ok,that again,devout Muslim,and devout Christian..
What does it mean ?

The way i understand it...no im not a devout Muslim...im just Muslim
İts simply like here in TLC
There are terms,you must accept them to become a member of TLC,yes ?!
And there are rules of the sites memberes MUST obay them,yes ?!
Religions are same,terms and rules,you must accept them to be in that religion,and then you SHOULD follow the rules when you are already a member
So,i accepted my religion terms,and i try to follow the rules,as any normal Muslim
İ try to pray all my 5 prayers,to fast Ramazan,give money to poors,i havent go to Haj yet,and i say Shahada
Those are the main 5 rules any regular Muslim does
And that is also my understanding to Christians ,they accept their terms,and try to follow their rules,a normal christian does
Go to sunday prayers,fast their big and small fast,follow other rules they have as any normal christian person...
İ know our christians people do this here

Devout in my understanding is to make more than normal,to study more in your religion,or to devout yourself more to it
To be a Mod as in TLC
İm not a devout Muslim ,im just Muslim
İ dont have enough knowledge to be one and debat with a devout Christian

Beside,do you think that if i am a devout Muslim,i shouldnt be debating except with devout Christian,but when someone is not a devout Christian criticise my religion,i shouldnt debat or reply,because im devout Muslim ?!
İ cant find the logic here
İf you have lack of knowledge about something,its not my problem that you are debating about it,is it ?!

Ps:'you' is generally speaking



Thread: How to Say .... ?

1946.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 04:23 am

Thx guys
Ps:Thx PT



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1947.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 01:34 am

Quoting catwoman:


but undeniably, Islam sanctions massive violence and hatred.There are verses in the Koran that approve it


İslam said 'you have your faith and we have ours'
Tell me,how many Crusade in the world you know about ?!
Made by who ?
Under what flag ?
For what purpose ?!
That was in the past ? when Church was in control ?
Ok,let's talk about near past,and lovely present,and tell me about it
let me remind you
Great Britain,USA,France,İndia,Middle East,Vietnam,Palastin,Afghanistan,İraq
Which of them were the Muslims?
Who were following İslam ?!

Quoting catwoman:


but the desire for domination, hatred of "infidels" and apostates, hatred towards women... etc, lack of respect for freedom and the countries in which these Muslims live is not just because of the US, it has always been part of Islam and Islam has never changed these goals.


Hatred towards women ?!
How was the women situation in Christianity again?!
How respectable they were ?!
What rights did they have ?!
You yourself have said before that women gain their rights when you have developed ,or renew Christianity !
No one can renew a religion but GOD !

lack of respect for freedom and the countries they live for ?!
They simply REFUSE to abandon their religion,their identities
So they have lack of respect ?!
Why jewish have the right to live and practice their religion in Western's countries and not Muslims?
Even you serve them their own food 'kosher' in your restaurants without being offended ?
Why İtalians,chineses are same,BUT NOT Muslims
And if they do,then they have LACK OF RESPECT !
İf they abonded their believes,if they became Muslims only by name,then they will show the respect that you mean?!!!

Why do you think that Muslim Kurds who are ACTUALLY Turkish citizens and free to practice their religion,their traditions their live in THEİR country should have their own identity seperate identity even AWAY from Turkish identity,and you think Turkish government is NOT fair about it,and should allow it
But...at same time Muslims in Western countries SHOULD be respectable to that country,and losing their identities ?!

Quoting catwoman:


Ask saudi arabia which finances these radicals, ask what their purpose is and they will openly say that it's jihad.
It is possible that saudis are using average people's anger against the west to manipulate and get them on their side of radicalism and jihad.


Jihad ?!
Again,
Jihad means,to defend your country,your home,your family against invaders
İts NOT to invade or take over other countries
That what Jihad means in İslam

So,Yes,you are right,Saudi Arabia is making a good job in taking over UK ,USA,and all the Western countries,and SUCKİNG their funds and oils !



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1948.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 12:48 am

Quoting RedemptioN:



RedemptioN 'You' was not adressed to YOU
İts generally speaking,about West,not you personally
Of course you have the right to express your opinion,entitled to your opinion no matter what it was
Sry for the misunderstanding



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1949.       CANLI
5084 posts
 11 May 2008 Sun 12:33 am

Quoting RedemptioN:

from a women point of view I don't care what people wear, but its about equality and freedom of choice
why should women cover up and men dont
in some countries its a mans world


why should women cover up and men dont,excuse me but its OUR business NOT yours.
Freedom of choice,then it is MY RİGHT that you respect MY freedom of choice when i am in your free,developed...ect country.
İm here talking about the core of it
About the fact that a Muslim woman is in a Western ''modern,developed...ect'' country and she choose to put on hijab
You dont have the right to mock ,laugh or make jokes about it as same as you hate it if they do same with you

Actually at this point you are no good than some countries in the third ,undeveloped,close minded...ect countries,who force their women to put some kind of uniform

As i said here,im talking about those women's right in respecting their choices in so called free lands,i dont talk about why they or we made this choice as i see you are new member,and you havent attend ALL our debats about it of course if you want we can debat about it but not in forums...there are many of them alright
Btw,Welcome to TLC



Thread: WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!

1950.       CANLI
5084 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 11:20 pm

Quoting caliptrix:



as always a loser does! lol



Losers dont win the league



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