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Thread: Survey: Neighborhood pressure is rare in Turkey, but intolerance is not

211.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:15 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

If it only was done in these (and other) big cities, it would give an idea of how the people in West-Turkey think. If Eastern villages - called backwards by Western Turks themselves!!!, not by me, I love it there - were included, I think the figures would be even worse. City people are mostly more modern and open-minded than village people (you said so months ago about Egypt).

 

 Well, yes its almost same every where

But...still i may not agree with you

Ýts true they are some how backwards, or so its said by city people, but when it comes to traditions or so, i believe they are better than city people

Take an example

You can live in the city and you may not know your neighbour, or you could just exchange greetings, its not same at villages.

So i also believe in villages, it would be more friendly between different religions than in cities.

Here ´Egypt´ at city, you may find a Christian landlord who refuse to rent the apartment to someone just because he is Muslim.



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

212.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:07 pm

Fine thanks dear, seems you dont lack action here lol

Ým already hocked up in one of those threads and seems it will take a while too, i have been posting since i came lol



Thread: Denial versus freedom of speech

213.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 10:02 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

Quoting CANLI

 

Second, its not logic that you come to a country where in its constitution saying that by law it is an Ýslamic country, then you complains about its system !

 

So by the same logic, if you come to a European country, in which it is NORMAL to mock religion, you have to accept that this is how things are done there. You have no right to complain!

 

 Ãts not about the Muslims people who are  living in Denmark complaining about the cartoon insulting their religion

World isnt that small any more

Ý havent been to Denmark but i knew about it, and i live far away from it

Ýt was addressed to the whole Muslims and its matter of whole Muslims too, the insulted our prophet

How come you say its normal to mock my religion ?!

Our prophet to us is dearer than our father or our mother, so how come do you accept Muslims to accept that ?!

And if those people made that cartoon to mock our prophet, then they must understand this

Or do you want to tell me they are bunch of crazy people who say or draw something they dont know nor understand ?!!

 



Edited (6/1/2009) by CANLI



Thread: Denial versus freedom of speech

214.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:56 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Including the 20-30% of people in Egypt that are illiterate? Or the more than 50% in Afghanistan and Pakistan?

 

 

 Yes my dear, they have eyes and they can see.



Thread: Survey: Neighborhood pressure is rare in Turkey, but intolerance is not

215.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:53 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 What´s the difference? The figures are not good I think. And while in most countries - as you yourself said about yours - villagers are mainly not the most progressive ones......

 

 The difference is... it doesnt represent Türkiye !

People in Türkiye spreading through the country, they dont just live in Ýzmir, Ýstanbul, Ankara and Antalya

So if i made a survay concerning only those, i cant say it represent the whole country.



Thread: Denial versus freedom of speech

216.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:49 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

And you really belief that all those protesters in every country burning flags, threatening Westerners, blocking embassies, calling for banning products etc have seen the cartoons themselves? They are all genuine insulted themselves? Not instigated by some hotheaded imams and/or politicians?

 

 Actually yes.

We saw it, once our countries started to complain about them to the Denmark govrnment...and by no way we didnt need imam to tell us to protest about that !

Ban the product and have nothing to do with anything relatd to the country that allowed insulting our prophet SAV.



Thread: Denial versus freedom of speech

217.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:44 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

No? What about the impossibility of building churches / holding a Christian servive in quite some Arab countries? What about the denial of many Muslims of the Holocaust? What about the 58/66% Turks (see topic ´Survey´ that don´t want to live next door to a Christian/Jew? What about the demand of some countries (e.g. S.A., Iran) that visitors should dress according to their beliefs?

 

Turn it otherwise, dear Canli, what if in ´Western´ countries mosques were forbidden? What if people say I don´t want to live next door to a Muslim? (Yes, it happens, also in my country, and if they act like they think - no renting a flat to one or so - they´re punished because of discrimination). What if in other countries ALL Islamic dresscode is formidden, from burka via djellabah to headscarf, everywhere, also on the streets? If that happened, the world is too small for protests from Muslims. (And right they are.) Just don´t pretend to be so human, so kind because you very well know there are loads of things wrong.

 

 You are now mixing things Trudy!

First, Forced means forced...

We dont say its either our religion or not so i would say they are depressed or something and they wanted to take it out so the made those cartoons !

Second, its not logic that you come to a country where in its constitution saying that by law it is an Ýslamic country, then you complains about its system !

Third, Holocaust is not God or something, so by all means everyone can have the right to talk about it, have opinions or what so ever

How come you have the right to think about the existence of your god and you dont have same right about something happened in the history ?!

History says, it happened, if some people says it doesnt so who would be considered like a fool ?!

Ýts not a holly thing, and if its allowed that you doubt holly things by your law, how is it not allowed you doubt anything else

Do you find that logic ?

As principle...is it ?!

Ý dont deny it, because history says it happened, from other sources than the jewish too, but at same time i have no way to understand how come denying it became a crime !

Fourth...what makes you think that i pretend to be so human and so kind... as a matter of fact... i am Cool  lol



Thread: Denial versus freedom of speech

218.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:17 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

I know Arabs are sons of Sem. Do they know it themselves when telling Jews to take a hike? (Or less polite.)

 

 

 mmmm, you havent answered my question still Trudy.

Beside, what do you mean about ´telling Jews to take a hike´ ? Are we talking aout Palestine here ?!

Well, i can have a cousin for sure, but i wont gave him my home..!



Thread: Denial versus freedom of speech

219.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:16 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 Just Google.

 

 Well, none needed to google about Rasul SAV cartoons, it was there right infront of our eyes, so when there are cartoons about Ýsa SA like that...we would have something to talk about then, wouldnt you say ?!

 



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

220.       CANLI
5084 posts
 01 Jun 2009 Mon 09:10 pm

How are you  guys ?!  Big smile



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