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Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

06 May 2007 Sun 01:03 am

Well, i dont think you've converted and you dont know what you are getting in.
So no need to say what you already know .

MÃ¼barek olsun

İf you need anything,or something not clear ,feel free to ask,and i will try to help as much as i can

Ps:i've edited my privous post ,so i dont get other similar question

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

06 May 2007 Sun 12:45 am

Quoting heidilovesosman:

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting mltm:

Marrying a muslim is not a guarantee to be beaten or be seen inferior because in the religion itself domestic violence is not supported.

If you're a member of the dominant group (a muslim) and don't speak up against the oppression that the dominant group commits, then you are SUPPORTING IT. This is what all muslims do, they are supporting violence and abuse, therefore it essentially is part of islam. Take off your pink glasses (but then again, you accepted your weak nature lol

is this true cos if it is i just converted about 1month ago:O is it the biggest mistake of my life???????

Are you serious ?!

Shaking head !

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

06 May 2007 Sun 12:26 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting mltm:

Marrying a muslim is not a guarantee to be beaten or be seen inferior because in the religion itself domestic violence is not supported.

You are not Muslim,you dont live among Muslims,and i doubt that you ever went to a Muslim country,but STİLL,you talk about us as group,as countries,as religion as if you know better.
Muslims say thats not true,it doesnt happen as much as you say,maybe there are people who abuse women,but not all,such as in any groups,but you still dont accept and even you make fun of that !

Ok,Muslim husband beats his wife 3 times a day,after eating same as medicine.
And in national holidays there is an extra time beating to celebrate the occasion.

And the top of course is in Holy occasion,that is the hight season for men,they having it like a party of beating their wives.

And all those Millions of women in the İslamic world are so weak and they cannt do anything about it except accepting the domain male !

Ohhhhh GOD !!!!!!!!

İ cannt believe it!

İf that satisfy you...SO BE İT

Go a head and believe what you want,your mind is set on something and doesnt accept other wise,but as for me as a Muslim,
Who said i have to take anyone approval about the kind of life i live it,who said Muslims have to take western's approval on our lives,our religion ?
Who said we approve to be put in a position that we have to defend ourselves and take your accusations,Western's accusations?

All you know about us is from your Media,and your Media says whatever make it ok for your countries to march in and interfear in others countries afairs.

So if you dont know about us,and you know only what you've been told,its your problem not ours.

İ live my life as i want and also you do so.

And i dont have to defend and say,its not true,we dont live that way,
We wont live as you choose for us to have your approval and you say ,yess,Muslims are modern.

No need to defend what is mine,because im sorry,but its just my business !

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

05 May 2007 Sat 03:13 am

Quoting panta rei:

Quoting CANLI:

Well,if the maid's husband is capable of hiring a maid,then so be it.
İf he is not,then he should help his wife.

People've got different income levels,and you cannt expect all levels live the same !

You know, some people are rich by birth as they are born into a rich family. Accordingly their income levels are much higher than those of the rest. They can hire maids while the others can't. One thing is clear: actual economies don't care such inequity. The question is, does Islam as a religion of humankind not care that either? Or let me ask this way: Why can I not expect all levels to be the same? What is it that I lack while some have, in order to have income enough to hire a maid (suppose that I am one who cannot hire a maid.)? Aren't we all human beings? Shouldn't we all be equall in every respect, including income levels? After all, aren't we all the creatures that the same God created? I mean, does the Koran say anything about this point?

İ understood your questions,but your point is away too far from what we are talking about.

You are starting from the beginning,that why God created us differently

God testing both rich and poor,testing the rich how would he spend his money,and testing the poor if he would be patient ,and will keep believing in God that when HE close a door will open a window or not.

And maybe to teach us a lesson,that maybe a person can be very rich,and hiring lots of maids,but not happy.

And that same maid,is poor and cannt afford to hire someone who can help her,but she is happy by the little help her husband giving to her.

İf we are all equal,then we'll be the same,there wont be something new,not new lessons,...ect

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

05 May 2007 Sat 02:57 am

Quoting panta rei:

Quoting CANLI:

As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol

I think this is wrong; because in Christianity (red) wine, for example, is believed and considered to symbolize "the blood of Jesus", that's why even in Churchs Christians are served wine.

Ohhh then how come our Church saying drink alcohol is forbidden ?!
Aren't all Churches saying same rules in the Bible ?

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

05 May 2007 Sat 02:14 am

Quoting panta rei:

"Please be adviced that in the following lines I will actually mean and mention 'fanatic muslims' when using only 'muslims'. Because I already showed this, by writing 'fanatic muslims' earlier."

Will we speak English like that?

No,not really,i dont agree.

İm muslim and i dont agree you address me by what ever you want to say about some certain groups or some certain behavior.

When you want to point at something you should use 'some muslims' not just Muslims.

And also,be sure what ever you talk about ONLY muslims doing it,not some other groups.

Like in honer killing for example,if you want to say some Muslims,you must say and some İndians,and some Japanese,and some ....ect

Because if you not sure ONLY Muslims doing it,then i dont accept the words 'some Muslims' too.
And your words will lose its reliability,because not only 'some Muslims' performing it,but some other groups and nationalities too.

İf you want attack something or someone at least be fair !

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

05 May 2007 Sat 01:00 am

What i really dont understand, whey we are always in this position?

Why we are always have to defend our rules and explain them?

Why we always have to argue about what WE believe ?!

God,i dont accept some rules in Christianity too ,it cant pass on my mind,not logic to me,same in Torah.

But its Christianity,or Torah rules,its that religions rules,so i accept it as it is,i dont judge,i dont look at it from above,and look at you as if you dont have any sense of joining that religion !

Ohhh,i really fed up of that !

You are talking about woman's right in İslam .

And how about woman's rights in Christianity,in Torah ??!

honor killing ?
Hmmm,how about honor killing in India,in Japan,China,...

Are they also Muslims ?

Do they practice İslam too ?!

And how about women rights there ?!!

How about woman rights in Western ?

How about woman dont earn same salary as a man even if they are in same position not for anything except she is a woman !

How about violence against women ?!
How about rates of husbands beating their wives ?

How about all of that ?

That too is İslam ?

Why the heck its always about İslam,trying to prove its a bad religion and Muslims are monsters ?!

Why its always about İslam ?!
What have we done to you that bad ?!

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

05 May 2007 Sat 12:43 am

Quoting catwoman:

To me, it's nonsense to join a group of people that behave hypocritically and don't do what they claim to believe in, even if I liked their religion (it's quite a small population of those who follow everything).

As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol ,and to have sex,or live with a man you are not married to him in Christianity too.

No need to say how many christians in Western drink alcohol and have sex with people they are not married to.

So,they are not christians ?
They dont believe in Christianity ?
Or something wrong in Christianity ?!

And you think its nonsense to join a group of people that behave hypocritically and don't do what they claim to believe in ?

İ wonder then if so,so how many christians will be left if we exclude the people who do things not in the Bible?!

And btw,we called Muslims,not group of people!

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

04 May 2007 Fri 07:33 pm

Quoting panta rei:

So, Canlı, what is the case of the maid's husband to be? Will he, too, be able to hire another maid for their houseworks while some other husbands can do? If not, which is obvious, does the Koran say anything about such inequity between people apart from advicing husbands should in that case help their wives? Or does Islam not care such inequity at all?

İm sorry,but i dont get your question right,i'll answer as i understood it,if not so pls tell me.

Well,if the maid's husband is capable of hiring a maid,then so be it.
İf he is not,then he should help his wife.

People've got different income levels,and you cannt expect all levels live the same !

And as i said before,if he is not capable,he should help his wife and be grateful for her efforts.

And i didnt say it was written in Kur'an that is husband should hire a maid,i said Rasullah was doing that,and if they dont afford it,he was helping.

But again,can you tell me where it is written in Kur'an that women should do the housework ?!

Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

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CANLI
5084 posts

04 May 2007 Fri 05:59 pm

Quoting kat007:

Quoting CANLI:

You know that in İslam housework NOT woman responsibility ?

Woman responsibilities only to manage the house and to rais the kids and take care of them and her husband.

And for all houseworks man should hire a maid or 2 accourding to his wealth and house needs.

And if he couldnt afford,because he's poor or something,then woman does houseworks and he helps her when he comes from work.
And be GRATEFUL to her too.

Because raising the kids and make them good individuals is a very hard work and even not equivalent to the man work but more important too.

Thats why in hadith Rasul said that when a man asked him who is the most one i should care for,Rasul said your mother for 3 times then said your father.

Rasul Muhamed SAV was helping his wife,and sewing his clothes too.

Come to reality how many of Muslims men think and do that now ?!

But at least women should understand when she does a house work,she is doing her husband and her kids a favor,not a duty !

WOW!!! I did not know maids were permissable. Thanks CANLI for telling me, I will bring up this point next time (hehe...) You're the greatest!!!! Now that I imagine myself not doing all the cooking, cleaning, and housework I feel more relief that it is an option.

Of course it is permitted to hire a maid,its not like you are buying them,they are not slaves,you are paying them for their works.

And i said that what should be in İslam,but how many men doing this ? hehe

Even men did exactly like all these argument up when İmam here said that,he said housework are not women's duty,and men should help women in housework if they dont afford a maid,they said,he didnt mean that,and there are no ayat in Kur'an about that !
Even as you know....hmmm well maybe you dont know ..lol
Ok we are ordered from ALLAH to obay Kur'an and Rasulallah so saying its in hadith not in Kur'an is nonsense.

But i guess men are men,and if they cant control men by religion,they try to do it by tradition and customs.

But at least even if women doing the houseworks,they should know they are making a favor and must tell the men that too by logic and true events.

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