Hee, hee seems you were not only waiting for me...

Ý have deleted one of cynic´s post so far, but all of his posts now deleted as it seems.

Doing so handsom when i saw it, so there was no need for that. 

Ý was actually hoping to hop in for some time to respond to this thread and another one then go to bed, so can you ´both´ please allow me this and not taking it from thread to another ?

Cynic, please modify your post, any personal insult are not allowed, and will cause the deletion of any post.

Thank you

 Sure femmeous you pass, you are defending what you are hoping they will be  

Hmmmmm, you still havent answered the question handsom

You have chosen that example, and surely you dont expect me to see part of it ´the part you have chosen´ and not all the other parts !

A semple answer to all the point in your post...

Ým not intending to be part of that game !

As it is a very long subject, but i will try to give some points

• As they are Muslims ´both sides´, and also Arabs, so i guess any accusation of taking the side of the Muslims rapists ´as you call them´ are actually....funny if not unlogical !
• Unless prime minister and his surroundings have told you that personally they are considering it a religious issue then i would agree, persuming they didnt do it, then i dont agree that they are considering it that way, they are simply continuing the role they are trying to play starting from Gaza going through Davos, and in my opinion its something they do to gain more ground with West rather than the East. ´their goal i mean ´
• As the conflict there between the tripes was up and down for many years ago starting from 1916 or something, and didnt become serious untill the discovery of the oil and uranium, then many parts became involved for their own interests, and suddenly one part obtain weapons some how and start war there, i find myself cant actually believe what those parts say about what is happening there, numbers or whatever...and also watching people of Sudan standing behind their president...make it even harder ! ´for me at least´
• Having same game played before in Kuwait war, then ending up by invading Ýraq and having control over the oil there...making the game there is more obvious really.
• Ýts funny that same people who murdered almost million person in Ýraq and have watched/blessed too the killing of thousands and thousands in Palestine and Lebanon crying now for the hummanity and accusing others, playing innocent while their hands are full of blood !
• Ý dont see there was/ are any court order for Bush or Sharoon, Paris..or many others there, the list is long actually, but there is not...then again why Beshir ?!!!
• So using the humanity crimes, and the children in this case by them are actually disgusting, because what they mean to them are just card, they are playing it wishing to win !
• Again its a conspiracy illusion as many like to call it when some weak or threatened countries try to read between the lines, even sometimes its clear and not just between lines, and want/try to protect themselves, April Glaspy in Ýraq wasnt an illusion and war in Ýraq isnt an illusion , and million people died in Ýraq also isnt an illusion !
• Ý never heard Al Bashir ordered his army to commit war crimes,have you ? But at same time all of us heared Paris and many generals  doing so, so again i dont see what are you comparing here ! Man denying and  the court couldnt  get the needed proves they supposedly having them to condimn him and another refused demands from all over the world to stop the killing and said NO, i wont !
• ´Ãm not the only bad guy but there are others and muslims too, even worse than me ´ thing wont work at least for who dont benefit from it, Ãsrael is not as bad as Sudan you say ?! ´Possible they killed more childeren that Israel ever did´

Last thing, i dont think people would accuse him of being double faced, but rather judge him of not buying what is being sold and joining the crowd based on that value ´i wont accept dividing other country as same as i dont accept mine to be divided !´ not the other value ´my interests first no matter whom i will step over ! ´

Values are values, not twisted values.

Thats why they still believe !

Hmmm, Are you defending Muslims femmeous ?!

Never thought i would see that !

 Ã fail to see why are you making it a religious issue, or what are you comparing exactly.

People in Darfur are muslims, majority, and i dont agree that the issue in Palestine is jew to Muslim thing, its rather Ýsraeli to Palestinian thing

Darfur is a Sudanese land, where Palestine isnt Ýsraeli´s land.

The conflict in Darfur goes back long time ago and it was between the tripes there till oil and uranium been discovered.

Suddenly people got armed and demand authority !

Ýmagine that Kurds in Türkiye demand the land they are living on to be ruled by them and not Turkish government, and used weapones to make it real

Will the Turkish army sit and watch them ?

Will YOU accept it ?!

Why anyone expect Sudan not doing same ?!

And fight for their own land against the  dividing ?

People in Palestine been murdered, taken prisoners, been used as animals´ labs there, women got raped, and so on, but we havent seen any trail for the Ýsraeli PM or president or anyone for that matter !

Of course they are war crimes in Darfur, when innocent people got killed and  they werent part of any fight, when they forced to leave their homes and lands, when they are killed or tortured, all of that are war crimes.

And its a shame too.

But who´s to blame ?!

El Bashir, Sudan , Sudanese army, powers who gave weapons to Darfur rebellious to fight their government and cant keep their hands off other people´s lands specially when loaded with oil, and even more Uranium ?!

El Bashir  defending his country and nothing to be blamed about that, unless you are in favore of dividing your own country to everyone who want piece of the land and make himself governor!

To me, all are equal, Muslims or non Muslims, if they want part of my land, if anyone want to divide my land they should think again !

And i guess im not the only one thinking like that , am i ?!

But war crimes are STÝLL war crimes, even war should have ethics!

Ýnnocent people died and suffered, and someone must pay for that

Ýn Darfur case those who made those crimes should go to court and be punished for their crimes, but if we are accepting this as a concept, then we shouldnt only be talking about Sudan or just Sudanese generals !

What for ?!

What happened in Palestine was even way back before Darfur, but still no one condemn anyone of anything !

And they were / are also war crimes !

Why not Sharoon for example, and as you may know he is one of many !

You are comparing them together, then you must also have a good answer for that !

Do you ?

 The answer here is very much clear AE, even its in your post too.

As you see, they are talking about Zakah.

Zakah is one of the 5 concept of Ýslam, where Muslims are OBLÝGED to give part of their own money to the poor.

That part is set, determined with some calculations, and conditions too.

The people who receive Zakah are also categorised, not every muslim fit to receive Zakah.

But also only Muslims receive Zakah no one else.

As alameda said, i maybe responsible of supporting member of the family, but not responsible to support neighbour for example.

But that doesnt mean, i cant help neighbour from other money than Zakah.

Meaning, if this year i should be giving 500 $ as Zakah ´after calculations´, im OBLÝGED to give that sum this year and not a penny less, and also must be giving it through that year not a day after.

The people who would receive that money as i said have some conditions but first they MUST be muslims.

Ýf there is a crises, and i want to donate money to help people ´non muslims or muslims doesnt matter´ , i can do that of course with any sum of money i wish to help, BUT other than that 500$ Zakah

Ýn Ýslam that called Sadakah, and Sadakah doesnt have condition except helping people, any people.

The people in your post wanted to take from the Zakah money and help people not under the Zakah conditions, and want to consider it Zakah...it wont be Zakah, it will be Sadakah, and they can do it of course, but that also would mean they still have to pay their Zakah.

Ý hope i was clear in my explanation.

Ýts something like internal social system, made so muslims help one another in the society.

So we pay it according to its conditions, and if we want to pay sadakah, we also can do it and we will be rewarded for that too.

 mmmm, AE, you werent watching the news at that time it seems !

People, Egyptian sent from their own money to aid people in Gaza.

We dont say we have sent this or that, we dont show off, we dont say they are our people then gave them our back !

Actually we dont have much to show off with, we sent materials mostly from our own poor personal income to help them

We donate through The Egyptian Red Crescent and that was from the first day of the war.

And many other social services through all the country and the Unions too

That was the people, not the government, and also the Doctors who went there, they went on their own, they have signed papers saying they are responsible on what will become to them there.

Ýt was war as you know, and Ýsrael was bombing hospitals, so the goverments didnt want to send them there, they sat at Rafah gate and they refused to leave except to Gaza.

And you are asking me if we donate price of a pack of cigarettes or some phone credit ??!!!

Outside ?!

Saudi Arabia donated 1000 million$ in Kuwait Economic Summit 21/1/2009, Quatar 250 Million, Kuwait another 250 million

That was only in that Summit .

Seems you werent following the news or else you wouldnt have asked about that.

Beside, killing someone then offering aid, i wouldnt call that help actually, making a statement is more like it 

 Ã will answer your question AE,

Yes, we send aids trying to help people in Gaza, we´ve sent Doctors and materials and not just now i may add, but right after that inhuman war started!

We TRY to ensure that they can rebuild their homes.

Ýts not easy actually, we /me as a person want to help the people of Gaza, we/i dont want the money/materials we donate go to anyone else except them !

We aim really to help, not to use the money to favorite a part over another !

We are not a rich country, and of course nor rich people

But STÝLL, yes we do send aid .